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Trial Day 5

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Judge William Sullivan
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Good morning, everyone.
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Court
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Good morning.
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Judge William Sullivan
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I hope everybody had a restful weekend. So what I want to do is just kind of tell you, first, I'm going to go through those questions, make sure everybody was able to follow my instructions. Then I'm going to go over what today's schedule is and then we'll return to the Commonwealth's presentation of evidence. All right. And so let me ask those questions. First question, has any member of the jury read, seen, or overheard anything from any source about any aspect of this case that would affect your ability to be fair and impartial?
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Court
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[inaudible 00:00:36].
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Judge William Sullivan
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All right. Next question. Is there any other serious matter or concern bearing on your service as a juror in this case that anybody needs to bring to my attention? All right. Again, thank you for following those instructions. Now, today's schedule, let me say first thing about the schedule. I know I haven't always been completely correct on some of the schedules we followed, but I want to just let you know that those decisions about the scheduling is on me. All right? And sometimes I have to take into consideration other factors or things that are going on. So what I really wanted to tell you is that don't speculate why we might go a little late or a little early on any certain days, but certainly don't hold it against either side in regards to that. The person who's making those decisions or that decision is me. All right? So you should be aware of that. So that being said, the thought is today, we should go into the afternoon. All right? And if that changes, I'll let you know. And what we're going to do at this point, we're going to return to the Commonwealth's case. And with that, Commonwealth, call your next witness, please.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you, Your Honor. The Commonwealth would call Michael Snyder.
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Kevin Reddington
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Your Honor, while we're waiting for Dr. Snyder, could we just approach [inaudible 00:02:06]?
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Judge William Sullivan
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Oh, sure. Yeah.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you. Apologies.
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Court Officer 1
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[inaudible 00:03:39].
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Court Officer 2
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[inaudible 00:03:43]. Dr. Snyder, raise your right hand for the clerk please.
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Clerk
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Good morning. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence that you shall give to the court and the jury [inaudible 00:03:52] between the Commonwealth and the defendant [inaudible 00:03:54]? Thank you. You may have a seat, sir.
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Court Officer 2
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Watch your step, please.
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Judge William Sullivan
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All right. Good morning, Doctor.
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Good morning.
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Judge William Sullivan
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All right.
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Shanan Buckingham
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May I inquire?
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Judge William Sullivan
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Attorney Buckingham, please.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you. Good morning, sir. Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yep. Michael Snyder.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Do you mind spelling your last name for the record, please?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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S-N-Y-D-E-R.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how are you employed?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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I'm a physician at Beth Israel.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how long have you been a physician?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Since 1998.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Can you tell us a little bit about your educational background?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So, undergrad at UMass Amherst. I did medical school at Tufts University, and then I did my residency in emergency medicine at Boston University.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how long have you worked at Beth Israel?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Since 2014, 12 years.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And do you primarily work in the emergency department?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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I'm going to draw your attention to January 24th of the year 2023. Do you recall working in the emergency department on that day?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And in the evening, were you made aware of multiple pediatric traumas that were coming into the emergency department?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And when you are made aware of people coming in, how does that occur?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So we'll typically get a call on the EMS phone that something's coming and that they want us to know about upfront.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And do they provide you with some basic background information about what's occurring or what occurred on scene and what's occurring during the transport?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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When possible, yeah.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And when the emergency personnel, the EMTs or paramedics arrived at Beth Israel, there were three patients, correct?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And you were assigned to treat one patient?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Do you recall which patient that was?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Cora.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And prior to EMS arriving, did you learn more about Cora's presentation and what was occurring?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yeah. So we had heard that all three were in cardiac arrest and Cora in particular, they were still working on doing CPR and doing what we call pediatric advanced life support. So medications to try and restart the heart. And they also mentioned that they had used what we call a defibrillator to shock the heart to try to restart it. And they were still doing CPR when they were arriving.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And is this information important to you as you're assessing a patient coming into the emergency department?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yeah, yeah. It's important to know what things look like in the field, how long the patient might've been without a pulse or how long they may not have been breathing for, so we can kind of expect or know what injuries to look out for, what we can potentially reverse.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And were you aware of the age of Cora?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And she was five, correct?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And as far as the medications that you were aware of, what medications had been provided?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So prior to coming to us, she had been given epinephrine, which is the primary medication we use in a cardiac arrest.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And do you know how they had administered that medicine to her?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yeah. So she had what we call an intraosseous device in her right tibia. Sometimes it's very difficult to get an IV in so we can go directly into the bone or the bone marrow.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And were you aware of whether she had been intubated en route?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So she was not intubated en route.
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Shanan Buckingham
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When she arrived at the emergency department, were you there to greet the ambulance?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And what happens when a patient comes in through the emergency department via ambulance?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So when the patient first comes in, we immediately have our team start to sort of take over care so there's no gap. And then we also get a sign out from the paramedics and EMTs and any other staff that had been involved in the case.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And do you and your emergency room staff then perform your own initial assessment of the patient?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And what do you do for that?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So initially, we sort of go through our ABCs, airway, breathing, circulation. So initially focusing on the primary things such as making sure we're getting air and oxygen into the patient, keeping the heart going, so continuing CPR at that point.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And as far as Cora went, did you observe that she was breathing?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So she was not breathing on her own.
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Shanan Buckingham
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How about the heart? Did you observe that her heart was beating?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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There was no heartbeat.
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Shanan Buckingham
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How about her physical appearance? What observations did you make of her physical appearance?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So initially, when she had come in, some of the things we noticed is sort of a blue tint to the skin, which typically, we can see when there's less oxygen or lack of oxygen. And then the other things on a quick survey is there was some areas of bruising on the neck and around the eyes called petechiae, kind of little bleeding, episodes of bleeding under the skin, and I believe a small amount of blood coming from the nose.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Were you able to make observations of her hands or other parts of her body?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So the hands definitely had that, what we call cyanosis or blue hue.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Now, as far as the eyes, you mentioned petechiae around the face and the eyes as well as the neck. Did you notice anything else about her eyes?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So the pupils were fixed and enlarged.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Why is that significant to you?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So oftentimes, when we see it coming in, it can indicate two different things. Some of the medications like epinephrine can cause the pupils to dilate, but also if the brain is starting to become damaged or not functioning, then you start to lose initially some of the signals that would make the pupils smaller. So they'll tend to start to get enlarged or dilated if there's brain injury starting or has occurred.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Now, you indicated that when Cora arrived, she was not intubated, meaning she did not have a breathing tube in. Did you and your team attempt to intubate her?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And did you do that on your own or with the assistance of other parts of the emergency department or the hospital?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So we had anesthesia there. After we got the phone calls of multiple patients coming in, typically we'll have all the help that we could possibly need there to be able to take care of all the patients. So I had an anesthesiologist in the room with me who put the breathing tube in.
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Shanan Buckingham
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In instances where an individual might have suffered some sort of injury to their neck, does that complicate the insertion of a breathing tube?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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It can, yeah. Because normally, you might need to move or tilt the head to get a direct view where you can put a breathing tube in. But when there's a concern for neck injury, we stabilize it typically with a collar or manually so you don't have the ability to move the head and the neck around to try and get a better view.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Once a breathing tube was put in, were you and your team able to manually give breath to Cora?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Now, did you then perform an assessment, a cardiac assessment of her?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yeah. So in addition to listening to the heart, feeling for a pulse, we'll also tend to use an ultrasound machine in the room where we can kind of get a direct view of heart function.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And you were aware that they had defibrillated her twice in the ambulance. Why is that significant when you're treating a patient that's in cardiac arrest?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So when they defibrillate a patient, it's typically the heart or might be in a rhythm where it can't pump blood. So it might be sort of out of sync or quivering, where we may attempt to use electricity to kind of shock it back into a rhythm.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Once you performed the ultrasound, the cardiac ultrasound, were there any attempts made further to use a defibrillator?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Throughout your course of treatment with her, did you continue with various medications?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And was CPR ongoing throughout your entire time with her?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Were you consulting with any other colleagues or any other hospitals in regards to the care of Cora?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yeah. So we actually had, in addition to all my colleagues in the emergency room, we had intensive care physicians from Children's that were on the phone with us kind of working through any things that may have come up in the case. Also expecting that they would be receiving the patients from us.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Is your hospital at the Beth Israel equipped to handle this type of pediatric trauma?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So we can do the initial stabilization, but then we need to ship the patients out to either get a specialty care or continued inpatient care.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how long did efforts in treating Cora continue?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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So in the emergency room, roughly 30 minutes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And fair to say that all of the efforts that you made were not successful?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And at approximately 19:28 or 7: 28, did you finally declare Cora deceased?
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you. I have nothing further.
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Judge William Sullivan
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Mr. Reddington.
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Kevin Reddington
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I have no questions. Thank you, Doctor.
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Judge William Sullivan
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Thank you, Doctor.
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Dr. Michael Snyder
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Thanks.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Commonwealth calls Dr. Andrew Capraro.
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Court Officer 1
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[inaudible 00:13:48].
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Thank you.
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[inaudible 00:13:48] right here, raise your right hand for the clerk, please.
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Clerk
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Good morning. Do you solemnly swear [inaudible 00:14:18]?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I do.
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Clerk
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Thank you. You may have a seat, sir.
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Court Officer 2
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[inaudible 00:14:28], please.
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Judge William Sullivan
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All right. Good morning, Doctor.
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Morning.
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Jennifer Sprague
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If I may?
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Judge William Sullivan
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Yes, please.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you. Good morning. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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My name's Dr. Andrew Capraro. Last name C-A-P-R-A-R-O.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And your date of birth, please?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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July 9th, 1970.
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Jennifer Sprague
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What do you do for a living?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I'm an attending physician in the emergency department at Boston Children's Hospital.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And how long have you done that?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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For the last 26 years.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Can you just briefly describe for us the training and education you had to qualify for that role?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I went to Providence College undergrad and then went to Brown Medical School. Subsequently, I went to Connecticut Children's Medical Center for my pediatric residency, and then did fellowship training in pediatric emergency medicine at Boston Children's Hospital from 2000 to 2003 and have been an attending there ever since.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what's involved with being an attending at Boston Children's Hospital?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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It means that I am guiding the care and treatment for the patients that I am seeing during my particular shift.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And are you assigned to a specific location or area of the hospital?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I'm always in the emergency department and the emergency department is broken up into different zones of which I am sort of the primary attending for one set of rooms.
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Jennifer Sprague
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I want to direct your attention to January 24th, 2023. Were you working that evening?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I was.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And at some point in time, did you learn that a patient named Callan Clancy was going to be transported to your hospital?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And do you recall where he was being brought from?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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From Beth Israel Plymouth, I believe.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And was he being med-flighted to your facility?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And were you provided with some information about the patient in order to prepare for his arrival?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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I was.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did you learn?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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We have a communication center where facilities that are transferring patients to us call to let us know that the patient is coming. And so that comm center had been notified about this patient, who then got in touch with me as the attending who would be caring for the patient to let me know what had happened there and the condition of the patient when he was arriving.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did you learn about the condition of the patient, Callan Clancy, as he was being flown to your hospital?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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What I was told was that it was believed that the patient had been strangled. And when he arrived at Plymouth, he was in cardiac arrest, that they had intubated him and initiated CPR, and they had gotten return of spontaneous circulation, and that they were then going to transfer him to us for further evaluation and care.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And at some point in time, did Callan arrive at your hospital?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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That is correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And were you able to observe him physically?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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What observations did you make about his physical condition?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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He was cold on arrival and he was quite limp, was not making any purposeful movements on his own. His pupils were fixed and dilated, and he had ligature marks about his neck with some swelling of the neck.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And his pupils being fixed and dilated, is that medically significant for you?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yes, it is.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And why is that?
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It typically means that significant injury has happened to the brain, such that there is brain swelling that has sort of over... What do I want to say? It has overwhelmed the capacity of the skull, such that the swelling has made the brain sort of herniate through the base of the skull.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Does that mean the brain's swelling so much it's pushing through the skull?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what observations did you make of his heart rate?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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His heart was beating and we did have to provide him with an epinephrine to keep his heart rate and his blood pressure within normal limits, but it was beating on its own.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And how did you know that you had to provide the epinephrine for him to stabilize that heart rate?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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It was initiated at BI because they had noticed that his blood pressure was low and you need to have normal blood pressure for the blood to perfuse your organs and keep them healthy. And so we were looking for certain parameters to sort of maintain that, which we did on that epinephrine drip.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when you say BI, you're referring to Beth Israel?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yes. I'm sorry about that.
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Jennifer Sprague
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That's okay. And so as far as his breathing, was he breathing on his own?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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He had been intubated at the outside hospital and he was needing a ventilator to breathe for him. Occasionally, he would have sort of a breath on his own, we would notice. We were able to see that because when he attempted to take a breath on his own, he would trigger the ventilator to continue that breath. But it was rare, for sure he needed the ventilator to maintain his ventilation.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Would it be fair to say that the majority of his breathing was being done by the ventilator?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yes, the vast majority of his breathing.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Now, once you have received this information while he's coming in and then you've made your own physical observations of Callan, are there certain tests that you have run on him?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yeah. Our job, once we received him, was to perform further evaluation and stabilization to help determine what the next steps of his medical care would be. So prior to him arriving, we had contacted our trauma team and our ICU doctors to let them know that he was coming and that we would need their assistance. And then under my care, we performed some routine blood work, a head CT, a neck CT, and a chest X-ray to sort of help us guide the next steps.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And from the head CT and the other testing that you did, what were you able to learn from the results of those tests?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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The head CT in particular showed significant brain swelling consistent with hypoxic-ischemic injury, which was the most significant finding that we found.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So could you please explain for us what is hypoxic-ischemic injury?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Hypoxic is just a fancy word for not getting enough oxygen and ischemic is just a fancy word for not getting enough blood flow. And so when your organs don't get enough oxygen and blood, they sort of suffer injury and therefore get to swelling. And so his brain was showing evidence of that.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So would it be fair to say that his brain wasn't getting enough oxygen and blood flow and then because of that, it was damaged and swelling?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Now, this type of swelling and injury as you're describing it, can that be caused by strangulation, the injury of the brain?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Most certainly.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And you mentioned earlier that you did see some marks around his neck. Is that correct?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what were those consistent with?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Strangulation of some sort, most likely from an object based upon the linear aspect of the bruising.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when you say the linear aspect of the bruising, does that mean it's in a straight line?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Now, once you had the results of this testing, did you make a decision on what to do next?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yeah. The main thing was to help us figure out did the patient need to go to the operating room for some sort of other procedure to help with this or was this something that could be dealt with medically? And so once we had the results of the head CT and then the neck CT as well, it was felt that the next appropriate step in his medical care would be to be transitioned to the intensive care unit for them to take over care.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Why was it that surgery was not an option to help Callan in this situation?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Yeah. The neurosurgery doctors were there to sort of help us make that decision. There was no significant bleeding, for example, that would need to be evacuated. There was nothing that they felt from a surgical point of view would help alleviate the problems that we saw on the CT.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And so was his care transferred to the ICU?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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That is correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And once Callan was transferred to the intensive care unit, did your care for him end at that point?
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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I have nothing further. Thank you.
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Judge William Sullivan
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Thank you. Mr. Reddington?
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Kevin Reddington
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No questions. Thank you, Doctor.
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Judge William Sullivan
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Thank you, Doctor. Please step down.
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Dr. Andrew Capraro
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Thank you.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Commonwealth calls Dr. David Casavant.
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Good morning, sir. Please stand right there and raise your right hand to the clerk.
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Good morning. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court [inaudible 00:23:31] the Commonwealth and the defendant shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Dr. David Casavant
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I do.
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Thank you. You may have a seat, sir.
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Dr. David Casavant
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Thank you, sir.
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Judge William Sullivan
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All right. Good morning, Doctor.
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Dr. David Casavant
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Good morning. Good morning, Your Honor.
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Judge William Sullivan
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Attorney Sprague.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you. Good morning. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Surely. My first name is David. My last name is Casavant. It's spelled C-A-S-A-V-A-N-T.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And your date of birth, sir?
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Dr. David Casavant
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5/2/63.
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Jennifer Sprague
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What do you do for a living?
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Dr. David Casavant
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I'm an ICU physician at Boston Children's Hospital.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Can you briefly describe for us your educational and training background?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Sure. I went to college out at Holy Cross in Worcester, and then to medical school at Boston University. I did my initial pediatric residency at Mass General Hospital, and then went back and did a fellowship in ICU medicine at that hospital as well.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And where do you currently work?
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Dr. David Casavant
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I currently work at Boston Children's Hospital in the Medical-Surgical ICU.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And how long have you worked at Boston Children's Hospital?
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Dr. David Casavant
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18 years.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And have you always worked in the ICU there?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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I want to direct your attention to January 26th, 2023. At that point in time, did you take over the care of a patient named Callan Clancy?
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Dr. David Casavant
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I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And prior to taking over the care of Callan Clancy, did you do anything to familiarize yourself with his treatment and care?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes, I did. One of my colleagues had taken care of him the day before in the ICU, and I spoke with her, and so I was familiar with his case.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And did you also review reports and testing that had been performed while he was at the hospital?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes, I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And after reviewing the reports and the test results and speaking to your colleague, can you tell us what you learned from all of that?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Well, it seemed that Callan had had a severe neurologic injury based on both testing and the examination that I did at the time.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when you say a neurologic injury, is that a brain injury?
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Dr. David Casavant
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It's a brain injury. Yes, it is. Yeah.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you review specifically a head CT scan of Callan?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes, I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did the head CT scan show you or tell you about his condition?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Well, the head CT is a picture of the brain, which was done in the emergency room when he was admitted to Boston Children's Hospital. And the CT scan showed an enormous amount of swelling of the brain itself.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And the swelling of the brain, is that medically significant?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Very much so. When you have an injury to the brain that is caused by anoxia, which means a lack of oxygen, I described this with families that the injury is very much like being out in the sun. You don't notice it at the time, but swelling occurs over the course of time. And one of the things with a lack of oxygen to the brain is the injury occurs and then swelling starts to happen over the course of time. Typically peaking at 48 to 72 hours. When you see swelling that happens that early in a case, as in Callan's, it means that there's been a very significant lack of oxygen and therefore injury to the brain itself.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So for example, some types of injuries that would withhold oxygen from the brain would be more mild and the swelling would occur over time. Is that correct?
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Dr. David Casavant
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That's exactly correct, yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So if a severe injury happens that withholds oxygen from the brain, that's when you see that immediate swelling like Callan had?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Very much so. Sort of the comparison of a sunburn to a burn that you might get from a stove. This was a stove. It's very, very profound.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Did you perform a physical examination of Callan?
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Dr. David Casavant
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I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did you observe?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Well, one of the first things that I noticed as I approached him was that he had a breathing tube in place. And I knew from my colleague that he was not on any sedation, which is very difficult to tolerate having a breathing tube through the vocal cords if you're not sedated. And he was not sedated at the time. The next thing is when I approach a patient such in their bed in the ICU, we always start with a quick introduction that we're going to be coming near them in case they're asleep. And I usually start with something along the lines of, "I'm Dr. Dave. I'm just going to listen to your heart." And I'd usually address them by name to see if they start to respond. And then I'll go ahead with the rest of the exam, but that's just to sort of warn them that someone might be touching them. And then I'll listen to heart, lungs, and then to move forward to see how responsive they are. So if you get no response at all from the initial, just using your voice, the next thing is to... And then from the exam, if they don't move around, then you start to sort of think, "Well, let's see how responsive they are." And so the next thing is sort of a gentle touch often to the bottom of the foot to see, you stroke the bottom of the foot, and you see if they pull away. And then you can move. If you get no response from that, we'll do something that's a little bit more noxious or painful where you can sort of pinch a little bit of skin to see if they start to react or pushing on the fingernail and the nail bed pressure, which is actually very noxious. And if you can see two types or several types of response, either no response, or you can see a very specific response where they pull away from that area. And that's a specific... Or you can see generalized response, which are all sort of graded along those that as we're sort of getting a sense for what their level of consciousness was.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So if I could go over a few of those things that you just mentioned.
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Dr. David Casavant
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Sorry.
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Jennifer Sprague
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You said that the first thing that you noticed that was significant was that Callan had the breathing tube in place through the vocal cords without any sedation. So without sedation, would having a breathing tube in that place cause pain?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes. No one would be able to tolerate it.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And so Callan was able to tolerate it without any sedation?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Would that indicate he wasn't feeling that pain at that time?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes, exactly.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And you mentioned that you would address the patient by name and talk to them. Was there any reaction from Callan when you did that?
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Dr. David Casavant
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No, there was not.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And then you mentioned you would rub maybe something along the foot. Was there any reaction?
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Dr. David Casavant
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No, there was not.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you do what you described in pinching the fingernail or pinching somewhere on Callan to see if he responded?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did he respond?
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Dr. David Casavant
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No, he did not.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did these interactions and tests on Callan tell you about his condition?
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Dr. David Casavant
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This told me that he was unresponsive. He was unresponsive to both things that would cause discomfort and things that would cause pain.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Did you also do anything in terms of looking at his pupils in any tests on his eyes?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes. So after all the other things, we look at the pupils. And so one of the things is we have a, it's a reflex response. If a light is shown in an eye, the pupil constricts, and what I noted about Callan was that his pupils stayed widely open and did not constrict.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when someone's pupils stay open and wide when you shine a light in them, what does that indicate medically?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Well, the eyes are a direct extension of the brain, but that's why we focus a lot on them as an area of investigation. And the lack of a response to light indicates that there's some abnormality to that. And in this case, it was a brain injury. You can also, there's medications that can keep your eyes open if you've ever had an eye exam, but that was not the case with Callan.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And just to be clear, when you're talking about brain injury, we're not talking about some type of trauma that was inflicted on the brain. You're talking about the lack of oxygen and blood flow causing an injury to the brain, correct?
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Dr. David Casavant
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That's exactly correct, yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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At that point in time, did you work with another doctor to do more in-depth testing regarding his neurological status?
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Dr. David Casavant
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Yes. So at Children's, we have multiple teams that come together for a patient, for many patients, but for Callan, the neurology team was there from the beginning. And in a case like this, when we see no response in an unresponsive patient, we start to get our neurology team. And one of the things we start to do is brain death testing to see if they could be what we call brain-dead, meaning that the brain itself is not functioning and that even though their heart is still beating.
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Jennifer Sprague
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How is it that someone's heart can be beating if their brain is dead?
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Dr. David Casavant
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It's a really good question. So...
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... of their brain is dead.
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David Casavant
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It's a really good question. So there's actually two parts to the nervous system. The one is the part that we see the most in people when they react, and they react to us, and they speak and they do things. The other one is the autonomic or automatic system. And the automatic system is largely in charge of the things like the heart if the heart has not been injured. And so it was sort of continuing on.
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And does that give you any indication, the fact that the heart was still continuing on, about where the injuries were in the brain?
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David Casavant
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Yes, it does actually. Yeah.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Where would that be?
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David Casavant
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Yeah. So the large part of the brain that we sort of think of is when we see the pictures of the brain, that's the cerebellum. And that's the biggest thing in humans that is most developed. And that's in charge of our consciousness, our reaction to things. Whereas the brain stem, which is another part, and that's really part of the autonomic system. And that's the same in almost all vertebrates and mammals. And it's much more automatic. And so it tells me that it seemed the cerebellum, which is that part that makes us sort of the human side of what we do, that's much more sensitive to a lack of oxygen, to an anoxic injury. And it told me that that was really where that injury was, was in that part of the brain, much less so in the brain stem itself.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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So would it be fair to say that the brainstem itself that controls those automatic responses was still functioning somewhat, but the part of the brain that made Callan, Callan was not functioning?
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David Casavant
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That's exactly correct. Yeah.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And could you describe for us the brain death testing?
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David Casavant
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Sure. So the brain death testing at Boston Children's it's a very strict testing that includes some of the things that I just mentioned. But we work with our... There's a checklist that we work on with our neurologic colleagues. And we sort of go through each of what we would expect for responses from someone. And we actually then work through different of the nerve sets that we would expect them to respond to. We have it set up so that there's an ICU physician is there, and then a neurologist is there. And the neurologist and the neurology team, they're the ones who perform the brain death testing. And then the test is then repeated again 24 hours later, just to make sure that there's no piece of that that is different or incongruous with a diagnosis of brain death.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And while the neurologist is doing this testing, are you there present watching the testing and seeing the results as it happens?
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David Casavant
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Absolutely. Yeah. So we're sort of committed to being there for the whole time. And the brain death testing itself goes through some really basic things. Again, as I described earlier, the things that would be painful and do they pull away or not? The eyes, looking at the reflexes of the eyes. There's also other reflexes too. Things like if you stroke the cornea, which is the front of the eye, people blink. So the blink reflex, cough, gag. There's also a reflex where they actually put cold water into an ear and that gives people a disequilibrium. And so those are all the things that we think about. And then also too, there's some breathing components to that as well.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Is one of those breathing components an apnea test?
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David Casavant
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Yes, it is. Yeah.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And what is an apnea test?
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David Casavant
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So apnea is a word that just describes a lack of breathing.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And how do you test that?
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David Casavant
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So in a patient such as Callan, what we do, and in any patient when we're doing brain death testing, we actually disconnect them from the ventilator. And the reason that we do that is we want to see if that autonomic system in the brain will start to react as the carbon dioxide starts to increase. So our body makes carbon dioxide all the time. And the way we get rid of it is by exhaling. And where we breathe in fresh oxygen and then we breathe out CO2. And what we do is we disconnect from the ventilator, knowing that their carbon dioxide will start to rise. And the normal response for that autonomic part of the brain would be to sort of increase breathing. That's why we breathe when we sleep, because as we go to sleep, the conscious part of our brain stops, but the autonomic part kicks in, and then we breathe right through our sleep because that carbon dioxide rises.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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So in a patient who has brain death, would it be accurate to state that as the carbon dioxide level increases, the automatic response would be to take a breath to get more oxygen, but a patient who's brain-dead won't do that?
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David Casavant
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That's correct.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And did you do all of these tests or did the neurologist do all these tests on Callan while you observed?
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David Casavant
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Yes, they did. Yeah.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And did he have any response to any of the physical tests where you were looking for a reflex or a reaction?
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David Casavant
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No, he did not. No response to any.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And what was his reaction or results on the apnea test?
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David Casavant
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So the apnea test, again, we do all the brain testing one day, and then we wait at least 24 hours for the second one. And what we expect with the carbon dioxide is that it will increase. We have it written in our... So it's all in writing for our protocol, that it will increase by 20 or get to a level of 60. A normal CO2 would be around 40. And the first time we did that on the first day, it actually went to 59.7, not 60. And again, it was in our protocol as it has to get to 60 or increase by 20. And I actually talked to my colleagues, including neurology. I said, "I know this is very close. It's 59.7, but it's not 60." I repeated that piece of the test later on that day to make sure that it was valid. And as I say, I checked with everyone to make sure that I was doing the right thing. And they all agreed that we should just... And the second time it went to 87. So everything else was the same. And we made sure that there's things that we look at too to make sure that there's not on any medications, that there's no changes in his temperature, there's no abnormalities of the salts and the blood, what we call the electrolytes. So all those conditions were the exact same. And I repeated that later on in the day and it did come back positive.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Why is it so important that you meet that specific criteria? Why is three tenths of a point so important?
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David Casavant
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Well, I wanted to make sure that there was no question about the data that we were gathering at the time.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And you said that this testing is again repeated 24 hours later, correct?
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David Casavant
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Yes, it is.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Why is that?
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David Casavant
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Well, that's just to make sure that if there were any lingering effects of medications, if there was anything that else might've changed in the patient's level of alertness or level of response, to make sure that it still meets all those requirements 24 hours later.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And is it because you want to be sure that there's brain death before you remove life support?
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David Casavant
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Yes. And again, it's too important. It's too important, a discussion and a gathering of data to not be very exact about it.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And so when you observe the testing and then the following day, on Callan, were the results the same in terms of no reaction and the carbon dioxide increasing?
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David Casavant
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Yes, they were.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And at that point in time, did he meet brain death criteria?
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David Casavant
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Yeah, he did. So we had determined that he had met death by neurologic criteria.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And at that point in time, was a decision made to stop life support?
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David Casavant
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Yes. Yes, it was.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And that's done in consultation with the family, his father, correct?
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David Casavant
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Yes, that's true.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And was life support ended for Callan Clancy on January 27th, 2023?
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David Casavant
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It was. And one of the things is when you determine that someone has met criteria for neurologic brain death, although we know that their brain is not functioning at that point, there's often a period of time where we don't have to... His heart is still beating, so we don't have to remove the endotracheal tube at that time. And we often will give families, once it's been confirmed that the brain is no longer functioning, we often give families a period of time to be able to process it and a window of time. Sometimes his relatives will need to travel and things like that. And so we'll often then choose a time later on to accommodate the rest of life, knowing that they're stable at the time to when we would actually remove the tube. And that would be the declaration of death.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And was that done in this case? Family was given an opportunity to see him and then life support was ended and then his heart stopped.
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David Casavant
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Yes, that's exactly.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And he was declared deceased?
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David Casavant
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Attorney Reddington.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Thank you, sir.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Thank you, doctor.
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David Casavant
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Thank you so much.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Your Honor, at this time, the Commonwealth would move to admit the Boston Children's Hospital records for Callan Clancy into evidence. There's two volumes.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Any objection?
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Your Honor. I have no objection because we both have the records. We both want them in evidence. So I have no objection to any of the records that they have. We signed releases for them for like Beth Israel, Brigham and Women's, South Shore. They all can go in.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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That's a yes.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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It may be admitted.
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Court Reporter
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Exhibit 137.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Yeah, I went to A and B. Yeah. ‍
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Court Reporter
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137, A and B.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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All right. Thank you.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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The commonwealth would call Kelly McDonough as its next witness.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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I'm sorry, can you say the name again?
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Kelly McDonough.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Okay. Sure.
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Bailiff
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Morning, ma'am.
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Kelly McDonough
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Good morning.
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Court Clerk
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Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court and the jury [inaudible 00:45:05] shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Kelly McDonough
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I do.
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Court Clerk
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You may have a seat.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Hey, good morning.
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Kelly McDonough
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Good morning.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Hi.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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May I inquire? Thank you.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Yes, please.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Good morning. Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Kelly McDonough
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Kelly McDonough.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Can you spell your last name for the record?
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Kelly McDonough
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M-C-D-O-N-O-U-G-H.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And what do you do for a living?
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Kelly McDonough
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I'm an emergency medicine physician.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And how long have you been a physician?
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Kelly McDonough
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11 years.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Can you tell us a little bit about your educational background?
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Kelly McDonough
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I went to medical school at the University of New England in Maine. I did my residency at Kent Hospital in Rhode Island. I subsequently worked at Carney Hospital in Dorchester, and I've been at South Shore Hospital since 2021.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Are you primarily in the emergency department at South Shore Hospital?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Have you been in any other department at South Shore Hospital?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Are you licensed to practice in Massachusetts?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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I'm going to draw your attention to January 24th of 2023. Were you working in the emergency department that evening?
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Kelly McDonough
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I was.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. At some point, were you advised that a patient was being brought into your emergency department?
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Kelly McDonough
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I was.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And were you aware of that patient being Lindsay Clancy with a date of birth of 8/11/90?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And what kind of information were you given upon learning that the patient was coming here? What were you expecting to receive?
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Kelly McDonough
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I was expecting a trauma one response. A patient who had fallen out of a window from a height, and didn't know much more than that.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so when you say trauma one, what does that mean for you?
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Kelly McDonough
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So we have two designations for trauma responses, a trauma one and a trauma two, and there's certain criteria for each. And there's a long list of criteria that are determined by the resource nurse who receives the EMS call.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so when we say one and two, which is more serious than the other?
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Kelly McDonough
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Trauma one.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so what do you do to prepare when a patient is coming in, and you know coming in that it's likely a trauma one situation?
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Kelly McDonough
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So we gather in the trauma room and make sure that we have all available staff needed to take care of the patient.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And what kind of staff are with you in the room, in the trauma room?
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Kelly McDonough
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So, for a trauma one response, it would be the emergency medicine physician. It would be anesthesia, the trauma surgeons. Sometimes neurosurgery will be there.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And fair to say you also have a whole host of other staff, including nurses, emergency room techs. All of those people are also available to assist if you need it?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Now, when this individual came in, when Lindsay Clancy came into the emergency department, were you aware from EMS that she had already come in with some sort of neurological deficits?
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Kelly McDonough
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I think that from my best recollection, we knew that she was unresponsive, found down outside of her home.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Were you advised that it appeared she might have a spinal injury?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And that she may have been moving her arms and her head, but not her legs?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Now, when the team was assessing her in the emergency department, what types of steps do you take to perform that assessment of the patient?
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Kelly McDonough
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So there's a series of steps that we go through to assess a trauma patient that are followed every single time. ABCs: airway, breathing, circulation, and then we do a secondary survey.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And in this circumstance, was the patient breathing?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And when she came into the emergency department, was she breathing on her own or intubated?
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Kelly McDonough
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She was breathing on her own.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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At some point, did the ER staff have to intubate her?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And why was that?
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Kelly McDonough
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For airway protection. There was a concern that maybe she would have a head injury and she would decompensate later. And so, to protect her airway, she was intubated.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Now, is that a standard protocol when there's concern for head injury?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Did you see any obvious signs of a head injury when she arrived into the emergency department?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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What kinds of things would you see if somebody had an obvious head injury?
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Kelly McDonough
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You might see bleeding or lacerations or abrasions.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Now, did you observe any other obvious injuries to this patient?
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Kelly McDonough
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I did. She had some superficial lacerations of her neck and wrists bilaterally.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Do you recall if she came in on a backboard with a C-collar?
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Kelly McDonough
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She did.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And do you remove the C-collar at some point to assess the patient for injuries?
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Kelly McDonough
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We didn't completely remove it. We remove it temporarily to visualize and feel her neck and then put it right back on.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And you said you did observe some injuries to her neck, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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I'm just going to show you some photos that have been already marked, if that's okay? On the screen next to you. This has been marked as exhibit number 111. Is that an accurate representation of the neck injuries you observed?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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You also indicated that she had some other injuries to her wrists?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And I'm just going to show you 112. Is that accurate as to the injuries to the wrist you observed?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Now you described the injuries as superficial. The injury that's kind of in the middle of the photograph there. Can you describe what part of the body that injury is?
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Kelly McDonough
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You're describing the one that's sort of open?
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Yes.
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Kelly McDonough
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Yeah. So that's the anterior aspect of her wrist.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And were you able to examine that injury?
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Kelly McDonough
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Not in detail.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Was it something in your emergency, your assessment of the trauma one situation, was that something acute that you had to address?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And is it fair to say that that injury goes through kind of the subcutaneous tissue of the skin?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Did you observe any injuries to an artery or a vein or anything in that area?
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Kelly McDonough
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I did not.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And then just showing you exhibit 113, which is the other wrist. Same thing. Did you observe anything in your assessment, your trauma one assessments, to say whether these were acute at the time?
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Kelly McDonough
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I assume that they're acute.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. But as far as treatment of them, did they require you to immediately address it?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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To manage blood flow?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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What was the more serious, or what was the focus of your assessment of her in the emergency department?
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Kelly McDonough
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I think the main concern was for a head injury and/or a spinal cord injury.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And you said that as part of the assessment team, you had a neurosurgeon available as well as a trauma surgeon, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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There was no neurosurgeon there that day.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Was there a trauma surgeon?
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Kelly McDonough
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There was.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Who was that?
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Kelly McDonough
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Dr. Christina Carpio.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Did you order any, a series of tests in order to help you assess the nature of whether there was any head injury or what the extent of the spinal injury could have been?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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What kinds of tests did you order?
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Kelly McDonough
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CAT scans.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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As part of the emergency room protocol, do you also draw blood for patients that come in?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And how is that usually done?
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Kelly McDonough
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It's usually done on arrival by the nursing staff.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And do they draw blood according to a physician's orders or do they draw blood for various purposes? Explain to us how that works.
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Kelly McDonough
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So it's usually like what we call a rainbow. So they just draw all the tubes of blood as soon as the patient arrives in anticipation for orders.
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Okay. And so what happens to the blood after somebody in the emergency department takes it from the patient? Where does it go?
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Kelly McDonough
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It gets tubed to the lab.
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And fair to say that at South Shore Hospital, they have a pneumatic tube system, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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And that it goes to a separate laboratory?
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Correct.
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And once a physician then assesses a patient and determines what kinds of testing needs to be done on those samples, how do you communicate that to the laboratory?
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Kelly McDonough
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So orders are put into a computer, and they go through the computer to the lab.
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And as you're treating a patient, is it oftentimes necessary to change the orders or order additional tests?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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And so, in this particular case, blood and urine was collected from Lindsay Clancy upon her arrival, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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And then sent to the lab?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Okay. Now going back to the imaging tests, you said that there were some CT scans that were ordered?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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What areas of the body were the CT scans for?
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Kelly McDonough
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It was her entire body. Her head, her neck, her chest, her abdomen, and her pelvis.
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Now, as far as the CTs for her head, were there more than one CT test for the head?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't remember. I'd have to look at my record.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Well, what are the normal, or what are the options for CT head scans?
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Kelly McDonough
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Usually just a CT head plain, but you could also do a CT angiogram depending on your concern for injury.
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And do you recall which one you ordered here?
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Kelly McDonough
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For a trauma one, it would be a plain CT head.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And why do you order that particular test?
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Kelly McDonough
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Well, we're trying to assess for skull fractures, intracranial bleeding, things like that.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And when you say a plain CT, what's the exact order that's put in for that type of a CT?
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Kelly McDonough
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CT head.
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Okay. And are there CT heads with contrast?
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Kelly McDonough
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There are.
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And are there CT head scans without contrast?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes. Okay.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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May I approach the witness?
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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You may.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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I'm going to show you some documents, if that's okay.
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Kelly McDonough
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Sure.
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I apologize. There's no series of paginations. So I'm just going to draw your attention to this page that's black. If you could just take a look at it.
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Kelly McDonough
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Sure.
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Okay. And I'm just going to flip to the next page as well. The next page is blank, but is this the extent of what you would have received as far as information regarding a head CT that was done without contrast?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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And I'm going to just draw your attention again to another flagged page here towards the end. It's actually two pages from the end of the document. If you could take a look at that? And does that reflect the report you would have received for the head CT ordered with contrast?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And in addition to getting a report from imaging, you also receive some actual images, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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And do you review those?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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In this particular circumstance, when it came to the patient of Lindsay Clancy, was there anything remarkable in either of those head CTs?
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Kelly McDonough
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Not that I recall.
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And in fact, the head CT with contrast indicated the impression was unremarkable. CTAF had no evidence intracranial aneurysm, arteriovenous malformation or abrupt occlusion, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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What does that mean?
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Kelly McDonough
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It essentially means it's a normal study.
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Okay. Now, as far as the other CT scans that were conducted, there were findings, remarkable findings on some of the others, correct?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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And what did they reflect in your experience as far as her injury goes?
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Kelly McDonough
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From what I can recall, I know she had a thoracic spine injury.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And how about the CT that was done of the chest area?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Okay. If I may approach. Document.
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Kelly McDonough
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Thank you.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Does that refresh your memory?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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And what was the extent of the results on the chest CT?
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Kelly McDonough
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So it talks about her thoracic spine injuries.
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Okay. Now, after reviewing all of the images, all of the CT scans that were done here, the cervical spine, the head CTs, the thoracic spine, what was the plan for this particular patient? Was she able to be treated further at South Shore Hospital?
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Kelly McDonough
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The decision was made by the team that her injuries were too severe to stay at South Shore Hospital, and the decision was made to transfer her to a tertiary care center.
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Were you able to stabilize her before transporting?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Is that something that's important to make sure a patient is stable before sending them off in the ambulance or a helicopter?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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And so as far as this particular patient goes, are you aware of whether any surgical intervention had to be done before she was stabilized and transported?
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Kelly McDonough
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I was not aware of any intervention being done.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And again, you had Dr. Carpio, who was also there to assess that?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct. We work as a team.
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Kind of going back to those injuries on her neck and her wrist very briefly, can you explain to us the difference between bleeding in maybe an artery or a vein and how that might present itself in an emergency situation?
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Kelly McDonough
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Venous bleed would be a little bit slower. Darker blood and arterial bleed would be pulsatile and bright red.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And is it fair to say that when you strike either an artery or a vein that they're of different pressure systems and so the manner in which the blood comes out is different?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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In either a circumstance where an artery or a vein is struck or nicked or cut, would that be something that you'd have to stabilize for a patient in order to make sure that they don't bleed out?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Was that done here?
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Kelly McDonough
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It wasn't necessary.
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Now, this particular patient at some point, was noted to be, I think it was referred to as hypothermic. Do you recall that?
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Kelly McDonough
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Yes.
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Do you recall at what point in your treatment of her was that noted? Was it as she was coming into the emergency department or did that develop while she was in the emergency department?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't recall.
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What was the course of treatment for a low body temperature?
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Kelly McDonough
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We placed something called a bear hugger on them, which is a warming blanket.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And can you explain to us what could cause a person's body temperature to drop to, I think it was 82.1?
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Kelly McDonough
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There are many reasons, but it could be a metabolic disarray or exposure.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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In this circumstance, did you know what the source of the drop in the body temperature was for Ms. Clancy?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And do you recall how long she was in the emergency department before she was transported approximately to the Brigham?
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Kelly McDonough
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I think it was about four hours.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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At this time, Your Honor, I would move to enter into evidence a copy of the South Shore Hospital medical records for Lindsay Clancy from January 24th, 23 as the next exhibit.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Is that by agreement? All right. They may be admitted, or they may be admitted.
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Court Reporter
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138
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And I would also move to enter as the next exhibit a certified copy of imaging records from the South Shore Hospital for Lindsay Clancy from January 24th, 2023.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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All right. It may be admitted.
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Court Reporter
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Exhibit 139.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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So finally, Dr. McDonough, did this defendant receive surgery at South Shore Hospital?
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Kelly McDonough
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Not that I'm aware.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Did you observe any cuts, abrasions, or blood on the area of her head?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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And based on your review of those findings on the CT scans, was there any noted injury from the head CTs that you could tell?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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And were you able, after using that bear hugger device, able to get her core body temperature back up to normal?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Did you ever observe those wounds that you observed on her neck or her wrists ever start bleeding actively again?
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Kelly McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. I have nothing further.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Mr. Reddington.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Good morning.
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Kelly McDonough
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Morning.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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So would you agree with me that when Lindsay was brought into the South Shore Hospital that she was unconscious?
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Kelly McDonough
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I recall her eyes being open, but she was nonverbal.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So, as an experienced emergency room doctor, can you tell me when someone's unconscious, what are the symptomatology of it? What does that mean?
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Kelly McDonough
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Usually means they're completely unresponsive with eyes closed.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Was she responsive?
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Kelly McDonough
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Not verbally.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Was she responsive at all?
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Kelly McDonough
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She was responsive to pain.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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So that means that you would do something to cause pain, perhaps the bottom of the foot or whatever it is, to see if they have a reaction?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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And would you agree with me that when people even have very, very serious brain injuries, that they can respond to pain stimuli?
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Kelly McDonough
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Sometimes.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Sometimes. So her eyes were open. Were her pupils equal and reactive to light?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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You don't recall. What does it mean with PERL, pupils, equal, reactive to light? What does that mean?
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Kelly McDonough
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Exactly what you just said. It means her pupils are equal and reactive to light.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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And as a doctor, what does that tell you?
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Kelly McDonough
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It tells me that there's no significant neurologic injury.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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And in this case, you don't recall if her pupils were equal or reactive to light?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Okay. And that's when you take the little flashlight sometimes, and you put it over the eye and see if there's constriction of the pupil?
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Kelly McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Did you do additional evaluations of her to see what her neurological function was?
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Kelly McDonough
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She was pretty quickly intubated from what I recall. So after that, it would be difficult to assess her neurologically.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Sure. Was she on any pain medication, if you remember?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't remember.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Did she have difficulty being intubated? I mean, would you agree with me that if you're not under some type of medication or sedation or unconscious, it hurts to be intubated, doesn't it?
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Kelly McDonough
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We wouldn't intubate somebody without first giving them some induction medicines.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So what would the induction medicines be?
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Kelly McDonough
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They're not universal. It would depend on the case.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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What are the induction medicines that you used on Lindsay Clancy?
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Kelly McDonough
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I don't know. I'd have to refer to my record, and also I wasn't the one who did the intubation.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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So she was intubated, had the tube coming out of her mouth, she's laying on the table, and you are continuing an assessment. You were the lead doctor in the emergency room for Lindsay Clancy, right?
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Kelly McDonough
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I wouldn't say I was the lead. I think the trauma surgeon and I worked together.
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Attorney Kevin Reddington
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Right. Her temperature, her core body temperature was...
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Attorney Reddington
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All right. Her temperature, her core body temperature was 82 degrees. Is that right?
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Dr. McDonough
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If that's what the record states, then yes.
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Attorney Reddington
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I'm sorry?
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Dr. McDonough
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If that's what her medical record states, then yes.
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Attorney Reddington
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Well, as you sit here, you don't know what her core body temperature was?
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Dr. McDonough
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I saw her three years ago. I see about 200 patients a month.
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Attorney Reddington
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I'm sure you're very busy, but this is a murder trial, Doctor. Did you review your records and your notes?
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Dr. McDonough
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I'm happy to look at my record if you bring it here.
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Attorney Reddington
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Did you review your records and notes before you came in here today to testify on this case?
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Dr. McDonough
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Sir, I did, but I don't have a photographic memory.
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Attorney Reddington
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Did she regain consciousness at all while she was in your emergency room?
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Dr. McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Reddington
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Can you tell me what CSF is?
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Dr. McDonough
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Cerebral spinal fluid?
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Attorney Reddington
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Yeah. Is that what that is, CSF?
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Dr. McDonough
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It could be. I'm not sure in what context you're referring to it.
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Attorney Reddington
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Well, how about if there's a massive leakage of CSF from her nose? What does that tell you as a doctor?
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Dr. McDonough
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It could mean that there's a skull fracture.
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Attorney Reddington
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Did you notice any clear fluid coming from her nose?
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Dr. McDonough
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I did not.
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Attorney Reddington
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Is that something you would look for?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Reddington
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How quickly do you get the results of the x-rays when you're in the emergency room?
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Dr. McDonough
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Well, these were CT scans, but fairly quickly in a trauma.
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Attorney Reddington
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I'm sorry. CT scans, x-rays. So you had CT scans that were able to show you the damage to her neck and upper chest, is that right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes.
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And what did those CT scans show you?
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Dr. McDonough
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Well, what I remember is a thoracic spine injury.
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And when you say a thoracic spine injury, would you agree that top part of your neck, your throat area would be cervical, right?
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Correct.
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And that's when the numbers go C1, two, or whatever they are. That would be the actual vertebrae in the cervical area of the upper body, correct?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes, the cervical spine.
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Okay. And then below the cervical spine would be the thoracic spine. Is that correct?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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And the thoracic spine would be... And sometimes they delineate it as T1, T2, meaning thoracic one, thoracic two, all the way down to what, five or six?
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12
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I'm sorry?
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12
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12? And the lower portion would be the lumbar, is that right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Now, when you looked at the CAT scans, did you determine the extent of the injury to the spinal cord?
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Dr. McDonough
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I could determine the extent of the injury to the bony thoracic spine.
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Attorney Reddington
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Okay. What was that?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall exactly the level. I would have to look at the report.
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What does that mean, the level of the T?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Reddington
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Was her cervical spine injured?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall. I'd have to look at the report.
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Attorney Reddington
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Were you aware that her thyroid was crushed?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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Do you know that her cervical spine vertebrae was fractured, destroyed?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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Doesn't that control a person's breathing? Does that have anything to do with breathing?
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Dr. McDonough
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It can.
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Attorney Reddington
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What do you remember about looking at the damage to the spinal cord depicted on the CAT scan?
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Dr. McDonough
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What sticks out most in my mind is her thoracic injury.
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Okay. And what was the thoracic injury?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall the exact level.
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What does it mean by effect level?
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Dr. McDonough
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The exact level.
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Attorney Reddington
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I'm sorry. Were you aware that there was a complete transection of the spinal cord on T5 and T6?
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Dr. McDonough
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I'm sure I was aware at the time, yes.
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Okay. And just can you tell me, what does it mean when it says a complete transection of the spinal cord at a particular... Apparently that would be at thoracic five and thoracic six, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Mm-hmm.
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What does that mean with a complete transection?
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Dr. McDonough
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It means the bones are no longer at one on top of the other. They're moved apart.
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Attorney Reddington
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Were you aware that there was a significant edema noted in her chest?
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Dr. McDonough
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If that's what the report says.
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Attorney Reddington
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Okay. And what is edema?
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Dr. McDonough
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Swelling.
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And does it also refer to fluid?
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Dr. McDonough
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It can.
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Did it refer to fluid in this case?
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Dr. McDonough
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I'm not sure. I would have to read the report.
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So in addition to the edema that was noted, was there edema noted around C7, T1, T2, T3 to T4?
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Dr. McDonough
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Again, I would have to have the report in front of me.
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Attorney Reddington
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When you noted her base temperature as being 82 degrees, what does that tell you as a doctor?
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Dr. McDonough
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It means that her body temperature is lower than normal.
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Attorney Reddington
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And what is normal?
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Dr. McDonough
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98.6.
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Attorney Reddington
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And if a person goes from 98.6 to 82 degrees before you place her in the bear hugger, what does that tell you? Does that affect the body at all?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes. The body works ideally at 98.6. So anything outside of that range, not ideal.
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Attorney Reddington
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To what effect? As a doctor, what effect, if any, on the body if a person has an 82 degrees base temperature?
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Dr. McDonough
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The list of things that could go awry is quite long.
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Can you give me an idea, maybe the top three?
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Dr. McDonough
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She could have a metabolic derangement.
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What's a metabolic derangement?
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Dr. McDonough
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Meaning her body wouldn't be processing things the way that it was before. Her cells are not working the way that they should because it's too cold.
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Would you agree with me that when you were looking at the injuries to the wrist and to the... both wrists actually, you noted lacerations in the volar aspect of the wrist?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes.
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What is a volar? What does that mean?
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Dr. McDonough
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It's the anterior aspect of it.
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Interior? Okay. Thank you. Would you agree that on both wrists there was deep laceration?
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Dr. McDonough
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I wouldn't characterize them as deep.
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Attorney Reddington
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You would not? And when you made reference to her being transferred to a tertiary care center, what does that mean?
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Dr. McDonough
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It means that it's a hospital that has more services and specialized care than we do at our hospital.
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Now, when she was at the South Shore Hospital, counsel asked you about whether or not you noted any injuries to her head. You did not notice any bleeding or scrapes or bruises of that nature, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Not that I recall.
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Did you notice any injuries to her lower body, her legs, her feet, let's say her feet or her buttocks?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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At any time while she was at South Shore Hospital, did she have a cardiac arrest?
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Dr. McDonough
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Not that I recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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Do you know if she had a cardiac arrest when brought to the Boston Hospital?
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Dr. McDonough
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Did not know that.
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How about blood? Was there any blood transfusion at South Shore Hospital Medical Center?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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Are you aware that she had a massive transfusion of blood once she hit Brigham and Woman's?
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Dr. McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Reddington
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What does that tell you? Massive transfusion of blood. What does that mean?
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Dr. McDonough
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I couldn't comment on why they gave it to her.
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Were the police in the hospital when she was there with you?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Was she chained to the bed by handcuffs?
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Dr. McDonough
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I don't recall.
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Attorney Reddington
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That's all I have.
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Any redirect?
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Very briefly. Dr. McDonough, I'm just going to give you your notes if that's okay.
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Dr. McDonough
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Sure. Thank you.
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Attorney Buckingham
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You want to just take a look at it and then take your time and just look up when you're done.
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Dr. McDonough
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Okay. You need this back?
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Attorney Buckingham
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Do you want to just flip through the rest of them to see if that's the extent of the note that you had in the record?
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Dr. McDonough
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Okay. Thank you.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Thank you. Now, Counsel asked you on cross-examination about pupils, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Mm-hmm.
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Was there anything notable according to your now review of the notes about Lindsay Clancy's pupils?
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Dr. McDonough
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No.
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Attorney Buckingham
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So what did that tell you about a possible head injury?
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Dr. McDonough
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It just indicates that there's no obvious head injury or brain herniation.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Now you indicated that she was somewhat unresponsive, but her eyes were open. She was nonverbal, correct?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Did you observe her to be moving her arms around at various points?
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Dr. McDonough
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She did move her arms on exam in response to painful stimuli.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And as far as the intubation goes, you're aware that she was in fact sedated in order to maintain intubation?
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Dr. McDonough
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Again, I'm not certain of that because I was not the one who performed the intubation.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And you were asked about CSF. Having now kind of looked through your notes with your interaction with this patient, was there any note of cerebral spinal fluid, excuse me, in either your assessment of them or your review of any of the CT results?
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Dr. McDonough
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I didn't see any mention of that in my physical exam.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. Now, as an emergency department physician, you're not treating all of these spinal injuries, correct?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Your focus is to assess, stabilize, and get them where they need to go, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And so that's what you did with Ms. Clancy?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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When the injuries that were described as a volar aspect, counsel mentioned that terminology to you, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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You've now in direct examination identified those injuries as superficial. What characteristics make you say superficial?
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Dr. McDonough
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Because I wasn't able to visualize any active bleeding or muscle tissue or injury to tendons.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And is it fair to say that oftentimes patients that come into the emergency department might be... If they have some sort of injury to their spine, you don't want them to move, right?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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So they might be at some point kind of either put in soft restraints or restricted on the bed?
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Dr. McDonough
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. Thank you. Nothing further.
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Is there anything further? All right. Thank you, Doctor.
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Dr. McDonough
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Thank you.
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Watch your step, please.
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Thank you.
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Attorney Buckingham
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The Commonwealth would call Rose Stoffers as its next witness.
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Good morning, [inaudible 01:18:26].
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Rose Stoffers
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Morning.
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Can you stand right there [inaudible 01:18:29], please?
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Good morning. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you'll give [inaudible 01:18:33] now pending between the common laws [inaudible 01:18:35].
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Rose Stoffers
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I do.
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Speaker 2
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Thank you. You may have a seat.
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Watch your step, please.
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Judge
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Good morning.
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Rose Stoffers
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Good morning.
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Judge
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Morning. Hi, Attorney Buckingham, please.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Thank you. Good morning.
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Rose Stoffers
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Morning.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Rose Stoffers
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Rose Stoffers.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Could you spell your last name for the record?
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Rose Stoffers
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S-T-O-F-F-E-R-S.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And what do you do for work?
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Rose Stoffers
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I'm a sergeant on the state police in the crime scene services section.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And how long have you worked for the state police?
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Rose Stoffers
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Since January of 2019.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Can you tell us a little bit about what the crime scene services section is of the Massachusetts State Police?
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Rose Stoffers
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Sure. So we get called to all different kinds of crime scenes. Our main job is to document the scenes with photos and videos. We can also process evidence on scene or we collect evidence and bring it back to our lab and we process it there. We're processing for fingerprints, and then we do fingerprint analysis, try to identify any fingerprints we find on the evidence.
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And fair to say the state police crime scene services have labs across the state, right?
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Rose Stoffers
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And what office do you work at?
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Rose Stoffers
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Right now I work out of the Boston office.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Going back to 2023, were you working out of the Lakeville office?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And so fair to say that the troopers that are out of that Lakeville office do respond to a lot of scenes here in Plymouth County?
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Rose Stoffers
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Correct. ‍
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Attorney Buckingham
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I'm going to draw your attention to January 24th, 2023. Do you recall being called out to the South Shore Hospital in Weymouth on that night?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And do you recall approximately what time you arrived there?
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Rose Stoffers
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I arrived at about 8:35 PM.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Were you by yourself or were you with anyone else from the unit?
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Rose Stoffers
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I was by myself. I met then Trooper Lawler there, he's from the Plymouth Detective Unit, and I also met the forensic scientist there.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And can you explain to the jurors a little bit about that relationship that you as a trooper have with forensic scientists that work for the lab?
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Rose Stoffers
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The forensic scientists are civilians who work for the lab, but they will come out to scenes as well. They do mostly testing of biological evidence that we don't do. So we work closely with them both at scenes and they share our office in Lakeville.
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And fair to say that they're actually part of a different unit with the State Police Crime Lab called the Crime Scene Response Unit?
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Rose Stoffers
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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But oftentimes, is it the case that when you're responding to serious crime scenes like this one, that you're working in tandem with a forensic scientist from that unit?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes, that's correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And so in this circumstance, you indicated that Maureen Hartnett also was at the South Shore Hospital with you?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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When you got to the South Shore Hospital, what was the purpose for you being called out there? What were you asked to do?
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Rose Stoffers
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So my instructions were to document the defendant, any injuries that she had. Forensic Scientist Hartnett was going to be taking swabs. And anytime they take swabs, we have to document the areas in which they swab.
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Attorney Buckingham
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So when you got to the South Shore Hospital, do you remember where you went in the hospital?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yeah, I went to one of the trauma rooms in the emergency department.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And so were you able to make observations of Lindsay Clancy?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And do you see Lindsay Clancy in the courtroom?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Reddington
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Objection.
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All right. Record may reflect the identification.
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Thank you. What were your observations of her when you saw her?
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Rose Stoffers
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She was covered in blankets and heating devices, and she had a neck collar on. So when I first walked in the room, I couldn't see anything on her body because she was under the blanket other than the neck brace and her face.
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Attorney Buckingham
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May I approach?
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You may.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Show you a photograph. Is that a fair and accurate representation of how you observed Lindsay Clancy?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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To admit this as the next exhibit, please?
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Judge
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Any objection?
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Attorney Reddington
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I have no objection to any of the photographs.
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All right. That may be admitted.
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Speaker 2
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Exhibit 140.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Sergeant, I'm just showing you now what's been marked as Exhibit 140. Can you see that from where you're sitting?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And so this blanket, that's how you observed her in the trauma room?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. At some point, did you and other medical staff remove the blanket to document injuries?
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Rose Stoffers
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We didn't remove the blanket, but we did remove her arms out from underneath the blanket.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And so were you able to do that on your own or did you need assistance?
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Rose Stoffers
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I needed assistance.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And why did you need assistance?
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Rose Stoffers
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When I first attempted to pull out her right arm, she was uncooperative and pulling it back and fighting against us a little.
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Attorney Buckingham
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So did you enlist the help of the nurses to help you to remove her arm from the blanket?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Were you able to make any observations of kind of the temperature in the room at the time that you got in there?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes, it was very hot in the room.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And that blanket that you observed, were you aware that blanket was to kind of bring her body temperature up?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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When you were able to view her arms, when you first saw them, did they have anything on them?
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Rose Stoffers
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There was a red-brown stain on her hands and there was gauze on her wrist area.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Did you enlist the help of the medical staff to remove the gauze?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And why was that?
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Rose Stoffers
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To document any injuries that might've been underneath.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And were you able to observe injuries?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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In addition to... Well, strike that. The injuries that you observed or the areas of the body that you documented, what were they?
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Rose Stoffers
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I took that first overall photo of her. I took a closeup of her face and the neck area that I could see. I documented both her hands, both sides of them, her wrist area underneath where the gauze was. And then the nurses assisted in opening up the neck brace, and I took photos of her neck as well.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And in addition to documenting the defendant herself, did you document any other items that were at the South Shore Hospital that evening?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes, I documented any personal belongings that were brought in with her.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And so you're aware that they removed clothing from her?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And so you documented the clothing?
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Rose Stoffers
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Correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And that she had two rings?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And that you photographed those rings?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And you're aware Trooper Lawler had retained those items?
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Rose Stoffers
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I'm not sure who retained them from there.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. But your role was just to document them?
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Rose Stoffers
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Correct. I didn't take anything.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. In regards to this particular... Well, go back for one second. In the crime lab, how does your unit or how do you identify particular cases that you work on?
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Rose Stoffers
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As in being called out to something?
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Well, is there a way that you... Once you get called out to a case and do work on a case, is there a way to track what you did with each case by some sort of case number or lab number?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes, we have a case number associated with it.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And as far as lab numbers go, you're aware that the crime lab follows pieces of evidence using the same lab number?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes, that's correct.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And does that track items that go through your system?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes. So our lab number goes into a computer system and it tracks everything. It keeps every report written on that case. It tracks the custody logs. It tracks every piece of evidence that's been involved in the case.
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If it helps, Your Honor, there's no issue as to chain of custody or foundation or anything like that.
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All right, thank you. Go ahead.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Thank you. Other than going out to the South Shore Hospital on January 24th, do you recall being called out to another location later in relation to the same lab number?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And that would've been on January 6th, 2023?
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Rose Stoffers
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February 6th.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Or excuse me, February 6th. Thank you. So where did you go?
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Rose Stoffers
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I was called to the Plymouth Detective Unit's office in Brockton.
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Attorney Buckingham
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And did you meet or speak with one of the troopers from that office?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes. Yes, I did. Trooper Rabbit.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Trooper Rabbit. And what did he ask you to do on that day?
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Rose Stoffers
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He asked me to photograph a bag of medication and some documents that were inside that bag that had been brought to their office.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And did you do anything else with the items that Trooper Rabbit had in his possession on January, excuse me, February 6th?
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Rose Stoffers
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No, I just photographed them and left them with them.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. And again, is that something that your unit sometimes is called out to do?
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Rose Stoffers
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Yes.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Okay. Nothing further.
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Judge
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Attorney Reddington.
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Attorney Reddington
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So is it trooper? Are you a chemist or-
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Rose Stoffers
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Sergeant.
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Attorney Reddington
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Sergeant, sorry. Sergeant, you had a search warrant apparently when you went into the house, I guess, with Trooper Rabbit.
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Rose Stoffers
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I didn't go into the house.
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Attorney Reddington
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Oh, so he just gave you the bag. In other words, you didn't go in the house and take pictures of any of the rooms or anything like that?
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Rose Stoffers
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No, the bag was at their office when I went to their office.
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Attorney Reddington
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Oh, okay. All right. That's all I have. Thank you.
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Judge
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Anything further, Attorney Buckingham?
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Attorney Buckingham
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No, thank you.
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Judge
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All right. Thank you, Sergeant.
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Rose Stoffers
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Thank you.
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Speaker 1
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Watch your step, please.
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Attorney Buckingham
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Can we approach?
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Judge
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Yeah, please. ... recess at this point. And so I'm going to ask you to go back. We'll get you back in here in a short while. Okay, thank you.
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Speaker 1
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Court all rise. Jurors, please seal the notebooks, leave them on your chairs.
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Attorney Reddington
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Call them up next.
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Lindsay Clancy
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Mm-hmm. [inaudible 01:29:35].
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Attorney Reddington
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Okay.
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Speaker 1
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Jurors [inaudible 01:29:35] close this session, please be seated.
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Attorney Reddington
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All right, so we'll be in recess on this matter at this time. Thank you.
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Speaker 1
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Court, all rise.
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Speaker 4
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This court is back in session, you may be seated.
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Clerk
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Your Honor, for the purpose of the record, we return back to the matter of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. All parties are present, including the defendant, excluding the jury.
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Judge
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All right. Counsel, are we ready for the jury?
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Speaker 3
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Judge
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All right, all right.
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Speaker 4
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[inaudible 02:04:53]. Court, all rise. This court's now in session. Be seated, please.
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Clerk
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Your Honor, for the purpose of the record, we return back to the trial of Commonwealth versus Lindsay Clancy. All parties are present, including the defendant and including the 18 jurors.
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Rachelle Amedee
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All right, thank you. Commonwealth, call your next witness, please.
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Judge
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Your Honor, Commonwealth would call Rachelle Amedee.
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Speaker 4
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Good morning. Stop right here, raise your right hand for the clerk, please.
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Clerk
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Good morning. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony [inaudible 02:06:51]? Thank you.
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Speaker 4
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Watch your step, please.
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Judge
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And good morning.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Good morning.
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Speaker 3
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Inquire?
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Judge
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Yes, counsel, please.
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Speaker 3
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Thank you. Good morning.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Morning.
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Speaker 3
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Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Rachelle Amedee.
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Speaker 3
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Do you mind spelling your first name for the record?
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Rachelle Amedee
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R-A-C-H-E-L-L-E. Last name's A-M-E-D-E-E.
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Speaker 3
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Thank you. And how are you employed? What do you do for work?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I'm a nurse at Brigham and Women's Hospital, the trauma surgical ICU.
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Speaker 3
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How long have you been a nurse?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Almost 27 years.
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Speaker 3
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Okay. And can you tell us a little bit about your educational background?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I have a bachelor's in nursing from Salem State University.
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Speaker 3
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And how long have you worked at Brigham and Women's?
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Rachelle Amedee
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20 years this week.
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Speaker 3
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And which unit did you say you worked in?
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Rachelle Amedee
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The trauma surgical ICU.
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Speaker 3
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How long have you worked in that unit at Brigham?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Eight years.
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Speaker 3
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Going back to January of 2023, were you working in that same unit?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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And what was the shift that you normally worked?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I worked the night shift, which is 7:00 PM, 7:00 AM.
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Speaker 3
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And what was your schedule like for any given week? Did you work back-to-back shifts or...
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Rachelle Amedee
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I can sometimes work back-to-back shifts.
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Speaker 3
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Okay. But you always worked the night shift?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Night shift.
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Speaker 3
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Okay. I'm going to draw your attention to a particular patient that you had some interaction with in January of 2023, and that was Lindsay Clancy. Do you recall treating her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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And was she in that trauma surgical intensive care unit?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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Do you remember the first time you interacted with her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes, I got her.
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Speaker 3
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And would that have been on the first night she was there on January 24th?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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How did she come to your unit at the Brigham?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She came from the emergency room, went to MRI, then came to the ICU to me.
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Speaker 3
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And were you aware that she had been seen at a local hospital?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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In Weymouth, the South Shore Hospital?
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Rachelle Amedee
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South Shore.
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Speaker 3
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While you were treating her on that first night, were you the main nurse assigned to her care?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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And what were your responsibilities as the nurse assigned to her care on that first night?
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Rachelle Amedee
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First night, she was intubated, came to me intubated. We had to maintain her blood pressure at a certain number. Just care, regular nursing care.
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Speaker 3
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Okay. And were you aware that she was on what's called a one-to-one?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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What does that mean?
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Rachelle Amedee
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That means patient usually can't be left alone. And also, depending, you always have to have somebody outside the room to monitor the patient.
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Speaker 3
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And is that because that patient has been identified as a potential suicide risk?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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Now, on the 24th into the early morning, I would say the 25th, was there a particular event that you were witness to for this particular patient?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She coded.
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What does that mean?
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Rachelle Amedee
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It means her blood pressure dropped for her. It meant her blood pressure drops and it wasn't sustainable with life.
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Speaker 3
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So what did you do when her blood pressure fell and she coded?
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Rachelle Amedee
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We started CPR. We did compressions.
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Speaker 3
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And this event occurred approximately at 3:30 in the morning, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Speaker 3
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Was she eventually stabilized after that code?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She was.
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Speaker 3
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And did they do something as far as intervention to try to maintain her blood pressure?
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Rachelle Amedee
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We increased her pressors. We added two more pressors. She was already on two. They placed chest tubes in, started what we call a massive blood transfusion protocol.
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Speaker 3
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And did this all occur in the trauma surgical intensive care unit, or did she have to be taken to a different unit?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No, it all occurred in her room.
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Speaker 3
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And other than medical staff that was treating her that particular night, did you observe anybody else present?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She had two police officers outside the room.
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Speaker 3
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Okay. And so did they remain outside the room for the duration?
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Always outside the room, yes.
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As far as your interaction with the patient on that particular night shift, was she responsive at all during the time that you saw her?
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No. No.
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And with intubation, you mentioned she was intubated, is a patient often sedated in order to maintain intubation?
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Yes.
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Why is that?
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Helps them not fight the vent, breathe better, and make sure that they're comfortable.
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And what does sedation do to an individual?
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... comfortable.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And what does sedation do to an individual?
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Rachelle Amedee
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You're calmer, you're sleeping.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Makes them more relaxed?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Relaxed, yep.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Other than that night, that first night, the 24th into the 25th, did you have the occasion to treat this patient at other points within that week?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes, I had.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And I'm going to draw your attention to January 26th of 2023. Do you recall interacting with her on that day?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And is it fair to say that on the 26th, she was still intubated?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She was.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And under sedation?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Well, during this time period on the 26th, was she arousable, meaning, could you initiate some communication with her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Some, yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And were you able to kind of give her commands in order to care for her that she was able to follow?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And when I say able to follow, obviously-
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Rachelle Amedee
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Simple, yeah, commands.
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Shanan Buckingham
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What kinds of commands?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Like can you squeeze my hand? Can you wiggle your toes? Just basic neuro check to just make sure she's alert and she's able to follow, understand what you're saying to her.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And for this particular patient, you're aware that she presented with a spinal injury, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And so, movement of the lower extremities was not something that she did?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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But did you observe her to move her head around and move her arms around?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Now, you also had the occasion to treat her in the overnight shift of January 28th of 2023, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And during that time, she was also still intubated?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I believe so. I'm not sure. I've had her both intubated and extubated.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. While she was still intubated, did you have a system that you could use to communicate with her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes. Board. We have a whiteboard or clearboard that sometimes patients can write on.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Did you observe her to utilize that whiteboard to write on it?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And at this point, when she's writing on the board, her eyes are open and she's responsive?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And she's able to tell you how she's feeling, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And fair to say she used that whiteboard to tell you she was confused and that she couldn't feel her lower extremities?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And do you recall her complaining of having pain?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I don't recall.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. During this time period on the 28th, do you recall whether the patient was placed into restraints?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And why was that?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Well, we restrain all patients that are intubated for safety.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And why?
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Rachelle Amedee
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So they don't pull out the tube or pull out any lines that they have.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so, as they're not at that level of sedation anymore where they're just completely asleep, there is danger that they could move and cause damage to-
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Rachelle Amedee
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Medical equipment out of the way. Yeah.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so, in this case, as far as the restraints go, fair to say that they were soft restraints?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Soft, yeah.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And what does that look like for a patient?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Meaning?
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Well, what does a soft restraint look like for those [inaudible 02:15:35]-
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Rachelle Amedee
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Soft restraint, it's like maybe I would say a cushion restraint, and then it's tied to the sides of the bed. So, it's all the way around your wrist.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. At some point, by the end of that shift, do you recall that she was extubated?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Can you tell us what extubation is?
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Rachelle Amedee
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That means you removed the tube, usually stop all sedation.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And were you able to make observations of the patient once she was extubated?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Did her presentation change at all from your previous interactions with her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Did you have the occasion to treat her again on January 30th?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And again, at that point, she has already been extubated? And are you able to then make an assessment of her without the tube and about her orientation and her alertness?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Is that something that you kind of do each and every shift?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Every shift, yeah.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Was she still on sedation medication at that time?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And what was your observations of the patient's demeanor now that she's extubated?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She's flat. No emotion either way.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And is that fairly consistent with what your observations were of her during the course of your time treating her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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How about being alert and oriented? Did you observe her to be alert and oriented?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She was.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And did you observe her to identify sleep as an ongoing issue?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And so, as part of the plan for treating her, did you address the sleep?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how did you guys address sleep?
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Rachelle Amedee
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The plan was to start the first sleeping medication for her. I don't remember exactly which one, and then wait a couple of hours, see if it worked, and if not, try another medication.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And this actually occurred over the course of a few days, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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A few days. Yeah.
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Shanan Buckingham
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During the time when you observed her to be flat, as far as her affect goes, did you also observe her to be cooperative?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Meaning she followed your directions?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Did you treat her or were you the overnight nurse for her on February 2nd? Do you recall?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. On this particular night, February 2nd, do you remember her making a particular request of you or ask you for something specific?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I think that was the night she wanted to reach out to her lawyer.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And did you note that in your nursing notes?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Why did you note that particular request?
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Kevin Reddington
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Objection.
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William Francis Sullivan
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Can I see counsel? Yep. Counsel, go ahead.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you. So, on this particular night, the 2nd, she made a request of you for her lawyer, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Was that something she had asked you before?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And so, did you think it was something worth noting?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Why would you note something like that?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Because that was the first time she referred to anything going on with the case or what happened.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And so, you had the occasion, after she was extubated, to have some casual conversation with her, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. And this was not a conversation you'd had before?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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What did you do when she made that request? What was your response?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I sent what we call a consult to the social worker in order to coordinate reaching out to her lawyer.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. In any of the shifts that you had been caring for this particular patient, did you see anyone besides medical staff and the law enforcement that were outside of the room come in and speak with her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Were you aware that she was not to have visitors?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes. I was told the first night.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And is that something that you've seen before in your work as a nurse when there are police on site?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Were you present at one point when some troopers came in to take photographs of her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And were you in the room when they took the photographs?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Do you recall assisting them in viewing the injuries to her wrists and her neck?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I don't know if I... I don't remember assisting.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. But you were present in-
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Rachelle Amedee
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I was present in the room with her.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And fair to say your contact ended with this patient on February 3rd when she was transferred off of the trauma surgical ICU unit?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Just one moment.
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William Francis Sullivan
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Sure.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Now, you were not the only nurse to treat her on the night shift, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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So, on days that you didn't work, another nurse treated her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Exactly.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And were you familiar with the nurse who was generally assigned to treat her during the day?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And who was that?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Meghan Collins.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Meghan Collins. And is it fair to say that with the law enforcement presence and this patient's particular situation, the amount of medical staff that were treating her on a regular basis was fairly limited?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Meaning it was the same people all the time?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes. Mm-hmm.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Okay. Thank you.
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William Francis Sullivan
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All right. Attorney Reddington.
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Kevin Reddington
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Morning.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Morning.
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Kevin Reddington
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First of all, you have the certified copies of the records from Brigham and Women's Hospital. I'd like copies of that too.
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William Francis Sullivan
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All right. Commonwealth, any objection?
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Shanan Buckingham
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Do we have those? I actually have those on a disc. I was going to put the disc in instead of all the paper.
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William Francis Sullivan
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Why don't we put both in?
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Shanan Buckingham
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Sure.
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William Francis Sullivan
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We can do A and B.
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Shanan Buckingham
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141A and B.
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William Francis Sullivan
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Thank you.
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Kevin Reddington
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Now let's talk about a lawyer first, since that was the last that they asked you about. And correct me if I'm wrong on any of these dates or facts. She was admitted on the 24th of January. Is that correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And do you have a memory as to approximately what time was it in the evening?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Well, she got to the ICU. It was around 3:00.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. You're very soft-spoken.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Sorry.
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Kevin Reddington
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Just keep your voice up so all the jurors can hear.
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Rachelle Amedee
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She got to the ICU around 3: 00 AM.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you. And she came by med flight?
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Rachelle Amedee
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She came to me from MRI.
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Kevin Reddington
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And MRI obviously would be when you're taking the pictures.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Pictures, yeah.
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Kevin Reddington
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And that would be on the 24th of January in the early morning hours, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I think it went into the 25th.
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Kevin Reddington
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Into the 25th?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I think so.
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Kevin Reddington
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Counsel asked you about the whiteboard that she would write on. And I think it was, again, if I'm wrong, correct me, was it January 28th that she used for the first time the whiteboard to communicate?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And the whiteboard basically is just a whiteboard and you write on it.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Erasable.
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Kevin Reddington
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And she was not able to speak because she was intubated, right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And she was in the restraints that you've described as well, right?
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Right.
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Moving forward, January 28th, 29, 30, into February 1st, February 2nd. It was on February 2nd that counsel asked you about her asking to reach out to her lawyer, correct?
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Yes.
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And do you know who her lawyer was at that time?
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No.
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Had you seen him before?
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No.
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Did you know as his name Attorney Gelb?
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No.
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Make any reference to you?
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No.
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Do you know that whether or not she had conversation with Attorney Gelb regarding her status as being under arrest by the numerous police that were guarding the room?
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I don't.
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Do you know whether or not she was ever able to talk to Attorney Gelb or did you refer her to the social worker people?
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I put in a consult for the social worker.
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Okay. Thank you. When she was admitted on the 24th, would you agree that she was in the state of cardiac arrest shortly thereafter?
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Shortly after arriving to me.
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So, I'm looking at the medical records that have been introduced for the jurors and I'm referencing on page 18, if I may. Now, this is one page of 400 pages of medical records.
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Can you see that?
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[inaudible 02:26:13].
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All right, here we go.
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Looking at this, does it indicate the... It's an SICU course?
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Surgical ICU.
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I'm sorry?
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Surgical ICU.
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Okay. And that makes reference to the fact that shortly after arriving in the ICU, the patient had a cardiac arrest. Is that fair?
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Yes.
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Were you there then?
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I was.
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And when it says the etiology of the arrest, she got two rounds of CPR before obtaining ROSC. Can you tell me please, what is CPR? Two rounds and what is ROSC?
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Meaning we did chest compression. She was already intubated, so she was getting oxygen.
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Okay. And then bilateral chest tubes were placed in her body?
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Yes.
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Does that mean from both sides?
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To both sides.
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Okay. And that punctures through the chest into what? The lungs?
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The lungs.
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Okay. The lungs. And when they placed the chest tubes, at this point, shortly after admission, there was 100 to 300 ccs of blood from each chest tube. What does that mean?
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That's the output they got once they put the chest tube.
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Start again. Can you keep your voice-
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That's the output they got once they put the chest tube in.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So when they put the chest tube in, it drained 100 to 300 ccs of blood. Is that correct?
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Correct.
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And then after that, again, shortly after admission to the hospital, coming from South Shore Hospital, she then got a massive transfusion protocol, which you told us about, right?
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Yes.
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And what does that mean?
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It means she gets... We have a protocol that would [inaudible 02:27:58] blood, depending blood products.
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Okay.
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She gets infused rapidly.
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And was there a notice shortly after arrival to the ICU she was being turned and had 30 ccs of clear fluid that came out of her nose? Is that right?
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Yes.
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And what is that? Was there a suspicion that that was what's called CSF?
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Yes.
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And what is CSF?
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It's spinal fluid.
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Okay. Going to the next page, which would be 19, does it indicate again on there, if I can just bring this up a little bit better? So she now has noted acute blood loss, anemia, right? What does that mean?
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She has a low blood count.
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And do you know what happened to the blood or any idea?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I do not.
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So, she had very low... Lost a lot of blood, right?
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Yes.
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And she had anemia. That would be what? Low blood or something?
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Yes.
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And she required multiple transfusions immediately following her arrest, right?
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Yes.
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And when it says arrest, does that mean arrest by the police or does that mean the cardiac?
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‍ Cardiac.
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I want to make sure that's clear. It's cardiac arrest, nothing to do with the police. Okay. And she required multiple transfusions. And you were there for that, correct?
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Yes.
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Were you aware of the extent of the... After you had the MRIs and the CAT scans, were you aware as the lead nurse or treating nurse as to what the extent of her injuries were?
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At that point, I don't believe so.
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All right. At some point, did you become aware of that?
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Yes.
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Okay. And again, I've got the records, you don't, so let me do it this way just to make it easy. Do you remember that she had a burst fracture of C1?
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Yes.
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And what does that mean?
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Means a cerebral fracture.
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That'd be up here. So, this is the cerebral [inaudible 02:30:20] up here?
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Cerebral. Mm-hmm.
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And then T5 and T6, there was a transection. What does that mean?
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Thoracic.
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Okay.
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And the spine.
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Down here.
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Yeah.
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And when it says transection, what does that mean?
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It's severed.
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And then T1, T2, T3, T4 also were injured as well, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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What is neurogenic shock? What does that mean? If you know.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Neurogenic shock.
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Sorry. Yeah, neurogenic shock. It just makes reference on-
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These are not my notes, so I can't really-
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That's fine. I understand. And this would be on page 65. Do you recall reviewing the documentation as to what's captioned present illness in the records? Did you know that she was presenting as a transfer from South Shore Hospital?
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Yes.
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Did you know that under present illness in the history would be that she's a 32-year-old female with history significant for postpartum depression? Did you know that?
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Yes.
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And did you know that after the fall with the C1 burst, fracture and the complex transection of T5 and T6, she also had rib fracture, correct?
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Yes.
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On page 66, that would make reference to the timeframe going into the 25th. On the 25th, that she was reacting to painful stimuli, right?
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Yes.
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And that basically means that she's not conscious, if you will, but she's able to react to-
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If you cause pain.
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Yeah. Okay. There's a notation of a contusion, laceration and crushing of the thyroid with thyroidal edema. What does that mean?
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She has swelling, I'm assuming, around her thyroid.
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Okay. And that is-
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Again, this is not my scope of practice.
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Okay. On page 70, the same evening, making reference to the fact that in addition to the injuries to the spine, that she also had the rib fractures and was currently in shock. Do you remember that, that she was in shock? Yes, no?
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Yes.
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Okay. Would you agree or do you recall that there's a notation that this patient is critically ill and noting that she has postpartum psychosis on page 72?
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Objection.
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William Francis Sullivan
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I see counsel.
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Sorry. When you're treating a patient, one of the things you try to do is to know what their total body and emotional condition is, what they've been dealing with and what injuries they have, right?
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We get a rundown or history of the patient.
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Sure. And as it goes into the end of January and she had been communicating on the whiteboard, you were aware at that point why she was in the hospital, right?
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Yes.
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You knew where she came from, South Shore Hospital, right?
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Yes.
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And you knew that there had been discussion about postpartum psychosis. Isn't that right?
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Yes.
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Okay. And do you recall that, and this would be on... May I approach, Your Honor, the witness?
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You may.
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Thank you.
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Maybe if you could show counsel what...
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I want the date and the time. And the lawyer, legal team. So, I'm just showing you one page from the medical record. Can you tell me, what date is this page from?
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01/25.
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January 25.
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If I'd ask you if you'd keep your voice, at least speak in that mic.
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Oh, sorry. Yeah.
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William Francis Sullivan
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Thank you.
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January 25th.
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Okay. Does it say what time?
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9:00 AM. 9:03 AM.
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All right. Can I see that for a second? Thank you. And looking at that, do you recall on that date you had been working with her the night before, correct?
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Correct.
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Where it indicates that the patient is under arrest, right?
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Yes.
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And there are police officers at her bedside, right?
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Outside the room.
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Well, it says at her bedside on the record, doesn't it?
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In the record, but I'm saying they-
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On the night before-
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They were outside her room.
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Outside the room. You were not there during the day apparently, right?
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Correct.
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Okay. And there's a difference from you guys as far as your medical records, if the police officer is at the bedside as opposed to sitting in a chair in the hallway outside the room, right?
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So, indicating police officer at her bedside, we will involve the social work and legal teams, right?
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Yes.
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Okay. And again, on page 72, there's a reference to CSF leak, and that's significant. It says significant amount of fluid coming from her nose. Do you have any memory of observing that in your treatment?
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I did.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. And then of course there was the code event that you've already described for us. There's the 100 to 300 ccs of blood coming from the tubes. And then it makes reference to, on page 74, it's a massive transfusion protocol. Is that like a medical term or is that somebody describing it or?
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It's a protocol that we have at the hospital.
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Okay. And on page 75, did you make reference to or did you observe the injuries, for example, to her wrist?
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I observed.
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Yes. And would you agree with me, page 75 of the medical record, indicating if it says RUE, what does RUE mean? Do you know?
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Oh, right upper extremity.
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Right upper extremity. 3.5 centimeter deep laceration, volar aspect of wrist. Can you tell me, what is the volar aspect of the wrist? I just don't know.
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I'm not sure what that's referring to.
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Kevin Reddington
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That's fine. Would you agree that there was noted a 3.5 centimeter deep laceration on her wrist?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I can't say because I didn't measure. This is somebody else's note, so.
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Well, when you looked at her, did you observe with your own eyes and your own experience that she had a deep laceration on the-
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She had a laceration, yes.
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You can't say it's deep or not?
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I can't say. I didn't...
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You want to say it was superficial?
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I can't say that either.
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So, when you looked at the laceration on her wrist, you can't tell us if you would agree that it was a deep laceration.
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I really didn't get to assess it at the time when she arrived.
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LUE, underneath that, left upper extremity apparently, right?
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Yes.
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Two centimeter deep laceration, again on the volar aspect of the wrist. You did see laceration on her left wrist?
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Yeah, she had dressings.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. And when she was admitted, she had the core temperature of 82 degrees. Is that correct?
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If that's what's noted.
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All right. Do you remember, did they use a Bair claw or something like that? What is it they call it? They put-
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A Bair Hugger.
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Bair Hugger. They put a Bair Hugger blanket on them. And when I say them, I mean people that have a low-
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Low temperature to warm them up.
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Hopefully raises the temp, right?
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Yeah.
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Kevin Reddington
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And then if it has warm intravenous IVF, that would be putting warm saline in the body?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes, through an IV.
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Kevin Reddington
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All ght. All with an effort to try to get the temperature up, right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Up. Yep.
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Kevin Reddington
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And her core temperature was 82 degrees even after she was at the South Shore Hospital and underneath the Bair thing and all that and still?
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Rachelle Amedee
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I think that's what's noted. Again, that's not my note.
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Kevin Reddington
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That's pretty low, isn't it?
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Rachelle Amedee
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It is.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you made reference to pressors. I'm sorry, can you tell me-
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Rachelle Amedee
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Pressors, blood pressure medication to bring up the blood pressure.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. On January 26th, she was still intubated, is that right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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And she was under sedation, right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And then you referenced January 28th, overnight shift, she was still intubated, right?
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And January 28th is when she first started utilizing the whiteboard. Is that correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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But she was intubated, yes?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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She was restrained to the bed?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And the tube was still in her mouth and she was writing on a whiteboard on the 28th of January, correct?
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She was able to, yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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January 30th, she was extubated as the district attorney asked you, right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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So, at that point, was she able to talk, like talk?
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Talk.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. And then on February 2nd is when she asked about wanting to reach out to her attorney. Is that correct?
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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But you had no knowledge as to her mother and father getting an attorney for her while she was in custody with the police all around her?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. And you tried to help her out as best you could, right?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yeah, to coordinate. It's harder at night. So I wanted to pass it on.
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Kevin Reddington
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And finally, she was not able to have visitors per order of the police. Is that correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you very much, ma'am.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Thank you.
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Kevin Reddington
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Commonwealth, redirect.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Ms. Amedee, the first time that Ms. Clancy, the defendant, the patient used whiteboard with you was on January 28th, correct?
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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You're not aware of if she used that tool with other nurses on other shifts, are you?
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Rachelle Amedee
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And the first time that she mentioned a lawyer on the February 2nd, that's the first time she mentioned a lawyer to you, correct?
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Correct.
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Shanan Buckingham
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You were asked about the trauma in the chest tube and that she lost 100 to 300 ccs of blood.
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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The transfusion came after that, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And fair to say the course of her treatment coming to Brigham was that she first came in through the emergency department, correct?
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Then she was sent for an MRI?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And then she came to the trauma surgery, correct?
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And you're aware that she had other imaging like CT scans, correct?
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Rachelle Amedee
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Yes.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And that especially when it came to the head CTs, she didn't have-
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Correct?
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Yes.
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And that especially when it came to the head CTs, she didn't have any intercranial injuries or anything that required that you be focused on her head injury, correct?
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Correct.
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Ms. Buckingham
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So it was more a cardiac issue and keeping her stable, and internal bleeding in the chest area?
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Yes.
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Ms. Buckingham
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As far as what you're aware of from other treating physicians, you're aware Dr. Anderson was one of the trauma surgeons that was treating the patient?
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Yes.
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And he was making assessments and giving orders to you and other nurses, fair to say?
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Yes.
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Ms. Buckingham
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And are you aware that he identified in the history that this patient actually had a history of postpartum mood symptoms, not psychosis?
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I would have to look at the note. I don't remember.
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Okay. Those aren't notes that you would've written?
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And you weren't taking a full history of the patient?
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Not at the time, no.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Okay. Were you aware that she then subsequently was fully evaluated by the psychiatric team?
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I knew she saw psych, yes.
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Ms. Buckingham
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And were you aware that they ultimately identified that there's an inherent uncertainty in her diagnosis?
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I do not remember.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Okay. As far as the lacerations went, in your treatment of her, again, you treated her overnight shifts for various days, correct?
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Yes.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Did you ever have a situation where you had to change her bandages because they were seeping?
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Ms. Buckingham
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And are you aware that a day-
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Except for the first night, but we didn't get to that because she coded.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Because she coded?
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Yeah.
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And then you're aware that the next day, after another individual, a physician's assistant actually came in and treated those lacerations?
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Sutured, yeah.
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Ms. Buckingham
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And as far as Dr. Anderson goes, were you aware that on January 25th, he noted that the lacerations to her neck and wrists were very superficial and didn't require treatment at that time?
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I was not aware. I don't remember that note.
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Ms. Buckingham
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If I showed you the record that that's in his note, would you agree that that's an assessment that he made?
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Speaker 5
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Yes.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Okay. And he didn't instruct you to do anything further with those injuries?
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Speaker 5
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Yes. Right.
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Ms. Buckingham
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Thank you.
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Mr. Reddington
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So very briefly.
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Mr. Reddington
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District attorney asked you about the evaluation by the psych, as she put it, psychiatric teams, with a determination that there was inherent uncertainty according to the psychiatric teams. Do you know when the psychiatric teams were evaluating her?
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Speaker 5
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I don't know. It was after and during the day. I don't know what day but-
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Mr. Reddington
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But in any event, I did show you on the thing over there where the reference was made to postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, correct?
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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And that's all I have. Thank you, ma'am.
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Judge
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Anything further?
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Ms. Buckingham
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No, thank you.
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Judge
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All right. Thank you, ma'am. You may me sit down. Thank you. Thank you.
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Speaker 7
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Watch your step.
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Judge
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All right. Commonwealth?
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Ms. Buckingham
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The Commonwealth would call Meghan Collins.
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The Bailiff
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All right here. Raise your right hand for the clerk.
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The Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court and the jury in the matter now lodged with the Commonwealth [inaudible 02:49:04] given to this court shall be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Meghan Collins
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I do.
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The Clerk
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Thank you. You may have a seat, ma'am.
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Speaker 9
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Officer Stoke, please.
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Judge
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Hi, good afternoon.
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Meghan Collins
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Hi.
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Judge
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I ask you to speak into that microphone. Keep your voice up, okay?
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Meghan Collins
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Okay.
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Judge
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All right. [inaudible 02:49:21] Buckingham, please.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Thank you. Good afternoon.
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Meghan Collins
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Hi.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Can you please tell the jury your first and last name?
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Meghan Collins
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Meghan Collins.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Would you mind spelling your first name for the record?
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Meghan Collins
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M-E-G-H-A-N, Collins, C-O-L-L-I-N-S.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Thank you. And what do you do for work?
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Meghan Collins
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I'm an ICU nurse.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And how long have you been a nurse?
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Meghan Collins
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11 years.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And did you go to school for that?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Where'd you go?
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Meghan Collins
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Sacred Heart.
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Miss. Buckingham
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What hospital do you currently work at?
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Meghan Collins
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Brigham and Women's.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And how long have you worked there?
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Meghan Collins
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Eight years.
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Miss. Buckingham
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In January of 2023, what unit were you working on at the Brigham?
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Meghan Collins
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The trauma surgical ICU.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Did you work a particular shift?
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Meghan Collins
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I did.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And what shift was that?
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Meghan Collins
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7:00 A to 7:00 P.
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Miss. Buckingham
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So 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM? And you just have to answer out loud. Sorry.
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Meghan Collins
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Okay. Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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I'm going to draw your attention to a particular patient that was treated there beginning on January 24th, Lindsay Clancy. Are you familiar with that patient?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Were you a nurse that was treating her during that day shift while she was in the ICU?
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Meghan Collins
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I was.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Are you aware that she arrived at the Brigham Hospital on January 24th of 2023?
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Meghan Collins
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When she was admitted to our ICU, it was overnight.
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Miss. Buckingham
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So as far as the hospital, do you know when she arrived at the hospital?
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Meghan Collins
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I believe the day, evening prior.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And a patient who comes to your hospital doesn't automatically come to the ICU, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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That's correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Where did they go first, usually?
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Meghan Collins
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The emergency room.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And you're aware this particular patient actually went through a local hospital before being transferred to the emergency department at Brigham and then to the ICU, correct?
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And so when you interacted with her, she had already been at the ICU unit for that night shift. Is that fair to say?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct. Interacted? She was intubated when she arrived.
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And were you with her the entire day of the 25th from that 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM shift?
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And was she on what's called the one-to-one during that day?
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Yes.
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And what does that mean for you as the nurse if she's on the one-to-one?
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Meghan Collins
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She was one-to-one nursing per our ratios because of how critically ill she was.
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And so you were there pretty much the entire time?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Were there any other people there, other than the medical staff and yourself, treating her? Were there any other people there?
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Meghan Collins
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There were officers, police officers.
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And they were outside the room?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Had you taken over care of this patient from another nurse on the night shift?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And who was that?
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Rochelle.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And you are familiar with Rochelle, you've worked with her before?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes, I have.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And were you advised that over the course of the night shift that this patient had coded?
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Meghan Collins
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I was.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And when you came on shift in the morning, because of what had happened overnight, were you aware that she was sent for additional CT scans?
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Meghan Collins
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We went for CT imaging in the morning when I got there because she was not stable overnight.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And you said she was intubated, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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How about, was she responsive during that first day that you encountered her?
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Meghan Collins
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The first shift that I had her, we were focused on her injuries and keeping her sedated. So the interactions, responses were minimal, but that was intentional as she was, again, like I said, so critically ill.
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And so you also said that she was sedated for the majority of that day, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And is that something that often happens when a person is intubated, that they're sedated?
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Meghan Collins
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It is.
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Miss. Buckingham
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What happens if an individual isn't under sedation and they're intubated?
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It is patient dependent, but the majority of patients are not able to tolerate the breathing tube and it's uncomfortable. So we give them medications to keep them as comfortable in tolerating the breathing tube as possible.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Now, you mentioned treating injuries and keeping the patient stable as your primary goal, correct? Were you able to make note of some physical injuries that the patient had?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And were there some obvious injuries that you could observe?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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To her neck and wrist area?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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May I approach the witness? I'm going to show you two photographs, okay? Does that look familiar to you?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Do you know that to be the patient, Lindsay Clancy?
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Meghan Collins
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I do.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And fair to say she has a breathing tube?
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Meghan Collins
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She does.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And then the second one, again, just the other side of her neck. Is that familiar to you?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Are these fair and accurate representations of the neck injury that you observed for this particular patient?
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Meghan Collins
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To the best of my memory, yes.
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Speaker 8
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So that was new exhibits?
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Judge
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Might they be admitted.
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It's 142 and 143.
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Miss. Buckingham
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I'm going to show you on the screen what's been marked as Exhibit 142 and 143. And you said that's, to the best of your memory, what the injuries on her neck looked like, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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That's correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And during your treatment of her, did those injuries require constant attention?
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Meghan Collins
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They required dressing changes. It did not require constant attention. She had multiple injuries.
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Miss. Buckingham
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So fair to say she had more significant spinal injuries and other issues that you were working to stabilize her on, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. Now, you treated her on the 25th, right? And did you treat her on the 26th, to the best of your memory?
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Meghan Collins
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I would have to go back and look.
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Mr. Reddington
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I don't have a problem if she leads her with records if she has something.
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Miss. Buckingham
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As far as January 26th on that 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM shift, do you recall making notes that the patient required additional sedation due to the tube intolerance?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And that she was started on low dose of propofol?
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Meghan Collins
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That is correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And that in the afternoon that she had the chest tubes, and you kind of checked those chest tubes to... It says, "Interval CXR looked okay with chest tubes to water seal."
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Meghan Collins
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Yes, that's correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And so she had previously been given chest tubes, and your role was just to kind of make sure that everything was fine?
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Meghan Collins
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They placed bilateral chest tubes, and monitoring those is a part of my responsibilities in the ICU. And we were concerned for her respiratory status, so that is why I made a note of it.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And as far as the injuries that were a part of your assessment of her, fair to say on January 29th you also were treating her that day from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM, and you made a note where you identified injuries, right?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And those injuries would've been things that were reported to you based on a doctor's review of labs and images and that kind of thing, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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You don't make your own assessment about thoracic injuries or cervical injuries?
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Meghan Collins
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I do not diagnose.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. Also on the 29th, or the 28th into the 29th, that is at that point when the patient was extubated, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Do you recall making observations of the patient after she was extubated?
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Meghan Collins
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She was not extubated on my shift. I was there the following day.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. Did you note her demeanor, her presentation the next day?
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Meghan Collins
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I did.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And fair to say you noted increased confusion, agitation, and picking at lines and drains, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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That's correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And fair to say the patient had to be restrained because of the activity?
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Meghan Collins
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That is correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Is that something that you often see when patients come out of intubation, that when they're extubated that they exhibit signs of confusion or delirium?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes. It's called ICU delirium.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And over the course of the next few days, in your interactions with her, did you see that delirium decline or decrease?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes. It was a multimodal approach to manage the delirium, agitation, and it did get better and it did improve.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And fair to say during the time that you were treating this particular patient, there was also sleep issues that were part of the treatment plan?
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Meghan Collins
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That is correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And on January 29th and January 30th of 2023, were you present when the psych consult team came in to speak with the defendant?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes, I was.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. What was the purpose of you being present?
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Meghan Collins
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The purpose is we had consulted the psychiatry team to evaluate and determine capacity. And my role as the ICU nurse is advocacy on behalf of the patient, and to alert the providers if there's any changes in the mental status.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Now, when they came in, and you said advocate for their position, you're aware that the patient was looking to change her healthcare proxy, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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The patient was changing her healthcare proxy. That is correct.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And that there has to be an evaluation to determine whether she's of a particular mental status and medically able to make that decision on her own. Is that fair to say?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And do you recall who was present other than yourself and the psych doctors, the doctors from the psychiatric unit?
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Meghan Collins
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There was the social worker, myself, and her lawyer was present.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Had you been present when a lawyer or somebody else was with her prior to this consult?
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Meghan Collins
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No.
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Miss. Buckingham
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And fair to say you were made aware very early on that there was a particular group of people that would be having access to this individual, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Can you clarify?
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Miss. Buckingham
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Well, is it fair to say that the treatment team was kept small on purpose? Meaning the same people were coming in and being the nurse, day and night staff. There was limited access. Is that fair to say?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes, it was kept to a smaller team, but that was also protection of privacy for the patient.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And during the course of time when she's on the ICU, which is between the 24th to February 3rd, there's always law enforcement posted outside the room, correct?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes. And it was because she was-
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Miss. Buckingham
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Well, I'm just asking you if there were law enforcement.
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Meghan Collins
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There was.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. Do you recall having to check with the nursing director and the legal team at the hospital to make sure that it was permissible to allow anyone in besides medical staff?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes. That's standard protocol.
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Miss. Buckingham
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Okay. And when she was transferred off of your unit on February 3rd, did you have any further contact with her?
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Meghan Collins
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I did not.
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Miss. Buckingham
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I have nothing further. Thank you.
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Judge
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All right. Attorney Reddington.
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Mr. Reddington
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Afternoon, I think. Yeah. How many years have you been a nurse?
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Meghan Collins
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Eleven.
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Mr. Reddington
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And you obviously take that position as very serious, and your concern is to protect your patient. Is that right?
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Meghan Collins
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That is.
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Mr. Reddington
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You made reference to the fact that she was changing her documents as far as healthcare proxy?
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Meghan Collins
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Did you know anything? Did you know who she was changing it from, her husband to her mother and father, or did you know anything about the specifics?
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Meghan Collins
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She was changing it from Patrick to her parents.
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Mr. Reddington
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Thank you. And finally, what is a DNR?
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Meghan Collins
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DNR means do not resuscitate.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you know what her DNR was?
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Meghan Collins
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Her code status was full at the time that I took care of her.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you recall that she had indicated repeatedly that she wanted a DNR, that she did not want to be resuscitated if an emergency arose?
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Meghan Collins
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I was not privy to that knowledge.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. But that's noted in the medical record. It would be noted in the records, right?
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Meghan Collins
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It would be, yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Thank you very much.
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Meghan Collins
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Thank you.
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Judge
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Attorney Buckingham?
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Miss. Buckingham
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No, nothing further. Thank you.
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Judge
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All right. Thank you. You may sit down.
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Meghan Collins
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Thank you.
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Judge
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Thank you.
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Commonwealth Attorney
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Commonwealth calls Dr. Shah.
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The Clerk
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The Bailiff
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Raise your right hand for the clerk. Good
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The Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court and the jury in the matter now lodged with the Commonwealth shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Dr. Shah
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I do.
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The Clerk
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Thank you.
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The Bailiff
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You can have a seat.
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The Clerk
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Have a seat.
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Judge
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All right. Good afternoon, doctor.
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Judge
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I'm going to ask you to keep your voice up and speak into that microphone. All right?
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Dr. Shah
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Thanks, Your Honor.
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Judge
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Thank you.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Thank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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Dr. Shah
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Sure. My first name is Sejal, S-E-J-A-L. Last name is Shah, S-H-A-H.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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What's your date of birth?
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Dr. Shah
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5-8-81.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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What do you do for a living?
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Dr. Shah
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I'm a psychiatrist.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And can you briefly describe your education and training background that qualifies you to be a psychiatrist?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah, absolutely. So I did my undergraduate in Philadelphia at the University of Pennsylvania, followed by medical school at Jefferson Medical College, also in Philadelphia. I moved... Oh, sure. I moved up to Boston to do my residency in psychiatry at Brigham and Women's Hospital and Beth Israel Deaconess, followed by a fellowship in consultation liaison psychiatry at Brigham and Women's Hospital, and then stayed on as a faculty member.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And where do you work currently?
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Dr. Shah
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I work at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And what is your role there?
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Dr. Shah
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I'm Associate Chief of the Division of Psychiatry and Medicine, leading the consultation liaison psychiatry service at Brigham.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And what is the consultation and liaison service?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah. So consultation liaison psychiatry is a subspecialty of psychiatry that works at the interface of psychiatry and medicine. So we work both in the inpatient and outpatient settings. In this particular instance, we get called by other healthcare providers that may need help with their patients or have a question related in the psychiatric realm. And so I would see a patient that's admitted to the hospital and help provide recommendations to the physicians and the rest of the care team that's caring for that patient.
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So basically, say at the Brigham, if a patient's being treated there, and a medical doctor is treating them and thinks that they need a consultation with a psychiatrist, your department would be called?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Okay. And how long have you been with the Brigham?
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Dr. Shah
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Nineteen years.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Now, I want to direct your attention to January of 2023. Did you interact with a patient named Lindsay Clancy?
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Dr. Shah
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I did.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And was that on January 29th, 2023?
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Dr. Shah
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Yes. That was the first of a handful of times that I saw her.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And why did you meet with Lindsay Clancy on January 29th, 2023?
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Dr. Shah
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So my team was seeing Ms. Clancy for a number of reasons, including for psychiatric safety risk assessment. She had come in reporting a suicide attempt, which is a common reason why my team would be called, is to continue to ensure that patients are safe when they're in the hospital. So we make recommendations about safety status, what can we do to help keep a patient safe? But then we also make recommendations related to medications. So that's why my team was following her. So that was one of the reasons why I saw her on the 29th is to continue that assessment. I was also called to ask a new... Well, I was asked a new question that day, a consult question on whether she was able to make the decision to change her healthcare proxy from her, at the time, husband to her parents. ‍
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And when you consult to help determine whether someone's capable of making a decision like that, changing their healthcare proxy, are you evaluating their medical decision making capacity?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Okay. How do you go about doing that?
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Dr. Shah
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so there's generally four parts to medical decision making capacity. The first is whether somebody's able to voice a choice, and whether that choice is consistent over time. The second is whether they understand the situation under which they're making that choice. The third part is appreciation of the risks and benefits. And the fourth part is kind of being able to reason or rationalize that information to be able to come to a choice, and how they came to that choice.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Now, if you're doing this evaluation to determine someone's capacity to make decisions, would a traumatic brain injury factor into that evaluation?
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Dr. Shah
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It could.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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When you evaluated Lindsay Clancy, was she able to voice a choice to you about who she wanted to be her healthcare proxy?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And is she speaking to you or writing this down?
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Dr. Shah
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She's speaking.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Speaking. So she's already been extubated at that point?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And she's speaking to you. And were you aware that Patrick Clancy was her healthcare proxy?
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Dr. Shah
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I was told that by her primary medical team.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Okay. And when you talked to Ms. Clancy, did she tell you who she wanted to take over that role?
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Dr. Shah
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She did.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And who was that?
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Dr. Shah
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Both her parents.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And you talked about that needing to be a consistent choice. How did you ensure that was a consistent choice with her?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah. So we waited to make the change from Patrick Clancy to her parents until the next day for a variety of reasons. We wanted to ensure that that choice was consistent over time. And especially because the day that I saw her, she had just gone through some pretty major medical events, including she had a major spine surgery, a decompression and a fusion. She had gone through some oxygen desaturations overnight, so was not breathing as well. Her heart rate was up, all of which then led to her being what we call delirious. She was confused overnight to the point where she asked her nurse, "Am I delirious?" And she was also experiencing some visual hallucinations. So that was one of the reasons why I was called in to make sure that she was able to make that decision to change her healthcare proxy. And then in addition, the team had also voiced concerns that she had come in after a reported suicide attempt. And so making sure that she was able to make that decision of sound mind. And so we actually waited until the next day when she could be reassessed. At that point, her delirium had cleared, and she was continuing to make that consistent choice to change her healthcare proxy to her parents.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And in fact, you noted in the medical records that the hallucinations were part of an issue with oxygen?
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Dr. Shah
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It could be. That could be one of the reasons. Delirium is usually due to a variety of different medical reasons, and oxygen desaturation could be one of them. She had also just recently had anesthesia related to a surgery that she had on her spine. So that could be another reason. And then her heart rate was also actually quite elevated. So that could be another reason.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Is it common for patients who are just coming off of anesthesia from surgery who have an issue with oxygen and other medical issues that you described to have visual hallucinations?
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Dr. Shah
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They can. It's not that everybody does, but they can. And delirium can be quite common after surgery, and particularly anesthesia.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:12:37
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And those hallucinations that she was having, those were resolved by the next day. They were over by the next day, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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And her choice to change her healthcare proxy to her parents was consistent the following day, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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That's right.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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You also talked about the patient has to understand the risks and benefits of the decision, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:12:56
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How do you make sure the patient understands that?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah. So one of the things we do is really ask patients to take us through their thought process of why they're making that decision, and what led to them making that decision at that moment in time. So we're able to kind of see their thought process, and ensure that they're understanding what it means to remove one person and add another.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:13:18
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And what was Ms. Clancy's thought process in explaining that to you?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah. She was saying that her parents are quite supportive to her, and that she was thinking that she would have to change her healthcare proxy from her husband to somebody else. And we didn't necessarily go into the reasons as to why she would have to change it, but she explained that she was very close with her parents. They would see each other frequently given that they lived in close geographic proximity, and that she felt that they were very supportive to her and would have her best interests in mind should we need to invoke the healthcare proxy if she couldn't make her own medical decisions.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:13:54
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So was there a concern on her part that her husband wouldn't have her best interests at mind at that point in time?
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Mr. Reddington
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Objection.
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Judge
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Sustained.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:14:03
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You also talked about you have to make sure the patient's thinking about the information rationally. How do you go about doing that?
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Dr. Shah
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03:14:11
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Yeah. So one of the things we do is really ensure that the patient understands the situation and all of the kind of parts around it. So this comes into play much more when it's about a specific medical intervention, like an invasive medical procedure or something like an amputation or a surgery. With a healthcare proxy, one of the things you want to make sure is that the person that they want to change their healthcare proxy to, or appoint as their healthcare proxy makes sense in the context of their life. And Ms. Clancy was able to talk about how her parents were quite involved in her life. And so that's one of the things that we would assess.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Okay. And then the last thing was making sure the patient understands the risk if the change doesn't happen.
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Dr. Shah
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Mm-hmm.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Did you go over that with Ms. Clancy, and how did you do that?
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Dr. Shah
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Yeah, I did go over that with her. We talked a little bit about how it could mean that she would not have a healthcare proxy were she not to appoint her parents. And so we went through that it's always... In healthcare, we always talk about how it's great to have a healthcare proxy just in case you become unable to make medical decisions, and who would you want that to be?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:15:18
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And during this conversation with the defendant, going over all these points, did you ever have difficulty understanding her?
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Dr. Shah
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I did not.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Did she ever appear to have difficulty understanding you?
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Dr. Shah
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So the first day, when I saw her on January 29th, she described herself as feeling confused, and I definitely witnessed that as well. We went through a bedside cognitive evaluation, and she definitely made some mistakes on some of the cognitive evaluation. Therefore, I did diagnose her at that time with delirium.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:15:48
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And then she was reevaluated the following day and there were no issues with her understanding, and the delirium was gone, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:15:57
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And were you aware during this evaluation that Ms. Clancy did not have a brain injury?
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Dr. Shah
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03:16:05
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I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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Were you aware that Ms. Clancy did not have a brain injury at that time?
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Dr. Shah
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So one of the things that we look at is any kind of relevant medical information that might be available to us. And I noticed that her Glasgow Coma Scale when she was transferred to Brigham and Women's Hospital was a 10, which would indicate that she could potentially have had a moderate brain injury. But I don't recall thinking about specifically whether she had a brain injury.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:16:33
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Were you aware that a CAT scan was done, page 110 of the records? And on the CAT scan, the impression was no acute intracranial findings. So no brain injury-
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Dr. Shah
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So you can-
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:16:56
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... on this CAT scan, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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I did review the head imaging that was available at the time. You can have a normal CAT scan and still have a brain injury.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:17:04
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Okay. Were you aware that she had multiple CAT scans that showed no bleeding in the brain, no skull fractures, no injuries, just visible injuries whatsoever?
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Dr. Shah
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03:17:15
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What? I'm sorry, but can you repeat the question?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:17:17
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Were you aware that she had multiple CAT scans at South Shore Hospital and at Brigham and Women's that showed no skull fractures, no intracranial bleeding, no hemorrhaging, no visible damage whatsoever?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:17:30
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Okay. And were you aware that she was evaluated at South Shore Hospital and at the Brigham and she had no external injuries on her head either?
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Comonwealth Attorney
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03:17:38
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Now, she was allowed to change her healthcare proxy to her parents, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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That's correct.
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Comonwealth Attorney
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So if someone had an injury, a brain injury to the point where they didn't know what was going on, or they were having trouble processing or thinking, they wouldn't be allowed to change their healthcare proxy, correct?
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Dr. Shah
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03:17:58
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It depends to what extent. Most patients that have either a head injury-
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Sejal Shah
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Most patients that have either a head injury or severe mental illness, let's say, just anything going on with the brain retain the ability to make most medical decisions. And we think about changing healthcare proxies as a pretty low risk decision. As I mentioned before, something like an amputation or a major surgery, invasive procedure is something that we would hold somebody to a higher bar, but a healthcare proxy is a pretty low risk, especially if it makes sense in terms of who they want to change it to.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:18:29
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When was her Glasgow score a 10?
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Sejal Shah
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03:18:31
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I believe it was as she was being transferred from the outside hospital to Brigham and Women's.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:18:36
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You're seeing her several days later, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:18:40
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When she was transferred from the outside hospital to Brigham, she was unconscious, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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I believe so.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:18:46
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So, now she's conscious, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:18:48
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That's correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:18:49
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When she was transferred from the outside hospital to Brigham, she wasn't communicating or speaking or opening her eyes on her own, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:18:56
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That's what the report said. I was not there at that time, but the notes that I read, that's correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:01
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When you're speaking to her a couple days later, she's opening her eyes, she's communicating, she's responsive, she's interacting, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:08
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So, it's fair to say that her Glasgow score would be higher than the 10 when you were speaking to her, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:19:13
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:25
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You did a mental status examination of her while you were doing this evaluation about her decision-making capacity, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:34
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And it's fair to say under mood, you listed okay?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:40
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You listed her thought process as organized, goal directed. Is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:47
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You asked her if she was having hallucinations or delusions, other than those initial ones the first day. She denied those?
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Sejal Shah
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03:19:54
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During my evaluation, yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:19:56
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And she also denied suicidal intent and homicidal intent, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:02
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You listed her insight and judgment as fair, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:20:05
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:06
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Her behavior was calm and cooperative?
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Sejal Shah
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03:20:08
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:13
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You didn't see anything about her behavior that would indicate to you that she was responding to some type of voices or hallucination that you couldn't see?
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Sejal Shah
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03:20:23
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At that moment, no. But as I mentioned, I did speak with a nurse beforehand and Ms. Clancy was able to report to me that she reported visual hallucinations overnight.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:32
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Overnight after surgery?
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Sejal Shah
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03:20:34
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That's right.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:35
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And then never again?
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Sejal Shah
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Not during my evaluation.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:43
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Did you speak to Ms. Clancy again on February 19th, 2023?
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Sejal Shah
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03:20:50
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:20:51
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Was the purpose for that to prepare her for a transition from Brigham and Women's to Spaulding Rehabilitation?
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Sejal Shah
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That was one of the reasons.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:00
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What were the other reasons?
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Sejal Shah
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03:21:01
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It was an ongoing safety evaluation, ongoing evaluation of psychiatric safety risk, as well as medication evaluation to determine if her medications were at the right level, the right dosage, and that she was on the right medications, and then just ongoing evaluation in terms of her mental status.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:21
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During that meeting, she denied suicidal intent, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:21:24
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That's correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:25
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She denied homicidal intent, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:28
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She denied having auditory or visual hallucinations, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:34
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She reported her mood as okay, is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And she told you she was looking forward to moving to Spaulding, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:45
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She also denied any confusion or disorientation, is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:21:56
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And again, you described her mood as okay on that day?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And you described her as future oriented on that day?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:07
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And then you spoke to her again on February 21st, 2023. Is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:11
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On that day, is this the same purpose that you just described, assessing her mental status and getting her ready to transfer to Spaulding?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:22
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During that time, you wrote that the patient reported feeling down about her current situation, her paralysis, and the events leading up to her hospitalization. Is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:35
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And you also noted that she said her thoughts about what she had done were not constant throughout the day, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:45
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So, she wasn't thinking about killing her children throughout the day every day, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:51
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She said she had no suicidal intent, no homicidal intent, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:55
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No auditory or visual hallucinations, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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03:22:57
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:22:58
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You also write no PI. What does PI stand for?
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Sejal Shah
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03:23:01
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Paranoid ideation.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:23:02
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And there was none of that either?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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You also made a note, "Notes low mood today in the context of her physical and legal situation, but does not currently meet criteria for major depressive episode." Is that correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:23:18
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So, her focus seemed to be on her physical and legal situation, but being hopeful about moving on to Spaulding.
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Kevin Reddington
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03:23:25
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[inaudible 03:23:25] situation.
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Judge
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03:23:28
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Can I see Counsel?
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:24:27
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Her focus at that time appeared to be her physical situation, her legal situation, and looking forward to going to Spaulding Rehab?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:24:39
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And then your last visit with her was February 22nd, 2023. Correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And again, she indicated she was hopeful about treatment at Spaulding?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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She was future oriented?
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Sejal Shah
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03:24:53
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And she denied suicidal ideation, homicidal ideation?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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She denied audio hallucination, visual hallucination, and anything else of that nature?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:25:07
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Thank you.
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Judge
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[inaudible 03:25:10].
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Kevin Reddington
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03:25:12
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Afternoon. Doctor, from your testimony, and correct me if I'm wrong, was she, to your opinion, in your experience, an honest patient telling you what her symptoms were, if any?
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Jennifer Sprague
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03:25:28
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Objection.
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Kevin Reddington
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03:25:29
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That's an evaluation in the psychiatric.
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Judge
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03:25:32
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I'll allow that question.
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Sejal Shah
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03:25:34
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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In other words, she didn't go off and try to exaggerate to you and say, I'm seeing visions and I'm hearing voices and I'm suicidally ideated and I'm homicidally ideated. She didn't say any of those things to you, did she?
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Sejal Shah
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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She actually denied them, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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So this is not, in your opinion, someone who was trying to exaggerate her conditions for some legal reason, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you obviously were in close contact with her for about a month, right?
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Sejal Shah
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That's right.
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Kevin Reddington
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Just a couple of questions. Counsel asked you whether or not, and I think it may have been in the beginning in January, you had difficulty understanding her, obviously after removing the tubes and everything else. You were able to talk with her, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you knew that one of the concerns, if you will, was postpartum issues. You knew that, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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In your experience as a psychiatrist, you're familiar with the concept of postpartum psychosis, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you know that people can communicate and plan and act on plans even if they're in the middle of a psychosis, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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You don't have to be drooling and stumbling and unable to walk and talk to be in a psychosis, do you?
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Sejal Shah
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03:26:55
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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In other words, a person can be in a psychosis and can communicate to friends, family, people, talk, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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As Counsel asked, you didn't have any difficulty understanding her? She wasn't slurring her words or anything like that when she was able to talk?
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Sejal Shah
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Right.
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Kevin Reddington
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One of the things when she was admitted... I'm not going to go through all the stuff we've already talked about with her medical condition and everything else... you indicated that she was very, very ill, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did she appear to be cooperative to you when you would interact with her?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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As a doctor, as a psychiatrist, you're familiar with concept of a bipolar diagnosis, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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03:27:46
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Can you tell me what bipolar means?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder, categorized as a mood disorder where patients have distinct depressive episodes as well as, depending on the type of bipolar disorder, either hypomanic episodes or manic episodes to the point where they don't sleep for days, they still have lots of energy. There's this decreased need for sleep. There could be irritability. There can be impulsiveness, racing thoughts. A lot of patients describe that they're out of control of their behavior. And then severe episodes can also include psychosis.
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Kevin Reddington
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And in reference to bipolar, as you were referring to, when somebody is hypomanic, what does hypomanic mean?
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Sejal Shah
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It's a lesser degree of mania. When patients are hypomanic, they don't always experience things like psychosis, but they might experience some of the other symptoms that I described, including racing thoughts, moving too quickly, talking too quickly, being irritable.
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As it relates to the hypomania, would that include things such as somebody who is getting up early in the morning and exercising or cleaning out their house or selling their property out of a garage and having difficulty sleeping and they're awake all night?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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As a psychiatrist, one of the things you were concerned about when you first started to deal with her, as well as when you were releasing her, if you will, is the medication that she had on board, so to speak, when she came into the hospital, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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I know it's difficult to recall offhand, but do you recall the medications that she was actually under from purposes of taking her blood when it was tested?
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Sejal Shah
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When she first came to the hospital?
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Kevin Reddington
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Yeah, if you know.
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Sejal Shah
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I believe her medication list previous to the incident, she was on amitriptyline, diazepam. I believe she was also prescribed lorazepam, and there may have been one other.
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Kevin Reddington
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Looking at that, if I tell you that there was a toxicology report done on her as of January 24th by way of taking her blood, you're familiar with that, right, when they analyze for toxicology? And toxicology obviously would tell us what the medications, if any, what type of drugs she had on board, booze, cocaine, anything, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you're aware that the toxicology report, as well as the report from the Department of State Police, as well as the NMS Laboratory, which would be in Pennsylvania, so that's an international or a national respected laboratory, isn't it, the NMS Lab, if you know?
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Sejal Shah
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I don't know.
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Kevin Reddington
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But you know that they did take her blood, they did test her blood, and it was at the state police laboratory as well as any other labs that tested it, right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes. I believe I found that out later. I did not know that the first time I saw her because those labs take a little bit of time to come back.
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Kevin Reddington
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You treated her for about a month, so you were pretty close to-
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Sejal Shah
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That's right.
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Kevin Reddington
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... her and got to know her quite well?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Would you agree with me that one of the things that her blood reflected or that she was on was trazodone?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Can you tell me what trazodone is?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. Trazodone is an antidepressant medication. It's more often utilized as a sleep aid because one of the side effects is sedation, and so patients that are often having difficulty sleeping are placed on trazodone.
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Kevin Reddington
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Trazodone, does that share some of the qualities of what are referred to as SSRI? Even though it's not an SSRI, it shares similar qualities?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Can you tell me what SSRI means?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. It's a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, and it's a class of medications that are antidepressants.
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Kevin Reddington
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The SSRIs, that would also include Zoloft, for example?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Would also include Prozac, for example?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Are you as a psychiatrist aware that Zoloft and/or SSRI Prozac should not be prescribed to a patient who has bipolar?
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Sejal Shah
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It can be prescribed. Oftentimes it's prescribed together with another medication that can be protective because patients with bipolar disorder may be experiencing depression, and so they may be prescribed an antidepressant, but along with another medication what we call protective.
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Kevin Reddington
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In reference to the SSRI, the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, what does that mean, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor? What does that mean?
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Sejal Shah
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Oftentimes in depression, patients are lacking serotonin in the spaces in their brain that helps with-
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Kevin Reddington
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Can I interrupt you? What is serotonin?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter, so it's a hormone in the brain that works on the brain. It works in other areas in the body as well, but for these purposes, it works in the brain, at nerve endings, throughout the body. That neurotransmitter helps with things like mood regulation. For patients with depression, they're often lacking that ability to have enough serotonin in those spaces, and so a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor prevents serotonin being sucked back into the cell, so it allows for serotonin to be more available.
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Kevin Reddington
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What is an SSAI? What does that mean, selective serotonin antagonist?
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Sejal Shah
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Those are medications that do the opposite.
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Kevin Reddington
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As a psychiatrist, at least looking at her history, you knew that she had been seeing psychiatrists immediately prior to her suicide attempt, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you knew that she had been prescribed a number of drugs by these various psychiatrists, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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To your knowledge, was she prescribed diazepam-
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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... Valium? Was she prescribed buspirone, otherwise known as Vanspar?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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How about Wellbutrin?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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What is Wellbutrin? Is that an antidepressant?
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Sejal Shah
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It is an antidepressant.
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Kevin Reddington
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Hydroxyzine, what is hydroxyzine?
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Sejal Shah
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It can be used for a number of reasons, but for psychiatric purposes, it's often used as an anti-anxiety medication.
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Kevin Reddington
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And Klonopin?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Klonopin, that's a benzodiazepine, right?
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Sejal Shah
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That's correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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And then lamatrigine?
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Sejal Shah
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Yep, lamotrigine.
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Kevin Reddington
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Lamotrigine. Sorry.
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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What type of medication is that? Is that a mood stabilizer?
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Sejal Shah
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It is, yeah. It's also an anti-seizure medication, but in the psychiatric realm, it's used as a mood stabilizer.
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Kevin Reddington
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And then we talked about Prozac. That's an SSRI, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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And what's Remeron?
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Sejal Shah
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Also an antidepressant.
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Kevin Reddington
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In addition to all of the drugs that I had mentioned, she was also prescribed Remeron, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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She was also prescribed Seroquel or quetiapine?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. Quetiapine, yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Quetiapine, okay. And what is Seroquel?
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Sejal Shah
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Seroquel is an antipsychotic medication.
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Kevin Reddington
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And she was prescribed, as we already talked, trazodone. Was she also prescribed amitriptyline?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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What is amitriptyline?
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Sejal Shah
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Amitriptyline is one of the older antidepressants. It's a tricyclic antidepressant that can often be used to help with sleep, but also mood.
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Kevin Reddington
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And Ambien, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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And Zolpidem.
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Sejal Shah
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Yep. Zolpidem is the generic name of Ambien.
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Kevin Reddington
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Oh, okay. Some of these drugs, they also have what's called a suicide warning or a black box warning. Isn't that right?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Can you tell me what that means?
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Sejal Shah
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Yeah. In studies that have been done, some of them show that, especially after starting an antidepressant, it can increase someone's risk of suicidality. Many of those studies showed that it was mostly in adolescents and young adults, but it can happen in adults as well.
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Kevin Reddington
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And Celexa was also a drug. Is that an SSRI too?
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Sejal Shah
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It is.
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Kevin Reddington
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And all of these drugs that we just went through were all prescribed from end of September till January?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes. September 2022.
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Kevin Reddington
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Four-month period?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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It's an awful lot of drugs to be prescribed in four months, isn't it?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection.
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Judge
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Sustained.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you.
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Sejal Shah
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Thank you.
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Judge
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Commonwealth, redirect?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Yes. Doctor, all those drugs that defense counsel just listed, you're aware she wasn't on all of those drugs at the same time, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you know that many of those drugs she took a very small amount of, some she didn't take any pills at all?
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Sejal Shah
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I was not aware of that.
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Jennifer Sprague
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For BuSpar, which is one of the ones he mentioned, were you aware of the first prescription, she only took two pills out of that bottle?
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Sejal Shah
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I was not aware.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Were you aware the second prescription a month or so later for BuSpar, she took zero pills out of that bottle?
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Sejal Shah
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I was not aware.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Where are you getting this information about what she was on and when?
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Sejal Shah
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One of the things that we do is try to collect as much information as we can during our assessments. We look through the record in terms of what was prescribed. We also talk with other providers as to what they prescribe. But in the context of the assessments that we were doing, it did not require us to determine what exactly she had been on before because we were using a different set of medications to treat different symptoms that she was experiencing.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So, you really have no idea what she was taking or when, you just know what was prescribed?
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Sejal Shah
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I know what was prescribed, and then we were also getting reports of what was being taken, what wasn't being taken, but-
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Jennifer Sprague
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From the defendant?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So, she's reporting to you that she took those medications, but you'd be surprised to know that at least one of them, zero pills were taken?
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Sejal Shah
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I don't think I'm surprised, no.
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Jennifer Sprague
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You talked about prescription and what she was taking. Were you aware that in the timeframe just prior to her being admitted to the hospital, she was only prescribed trazodone, Valium, and amitriptyline, just three medications?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes, I was aware.
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Jennifer Sprague
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You were asked about mania and exercising and cleaning out your garage and selling your belongings could be signs of mania, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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But there are people who just exercise every day and they're not manic, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And there are people who have a messy garage and have accumulated a lot of junk and decide to clean out the garage that aren't manic, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And in fact, if someone is manic and attempts to do one of those tasks like cleaning out a garage, it's usually in a disorganized way and oftentimes they don't finish the task, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Sometimes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So, if someone approaches a task like cleaning out the garage by organizing with another party, organizing the belongings, separating them into Keep, Sell, Throw Out, that's pretty organized behavior, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And if someone sells belongings that they no longer need, that's not necessarily a sign of mania, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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That's more if they're selling their stove and then they have nothing to cook with, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So, if they're selling junk in their garage that they no longer need, that's not necessarily manic, correct?
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Sejal Shah
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Not necessarily.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you.
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Judge
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All Right. Mr. Reddington, [inaudible 03:39:25].
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Kevin Reddington
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So if the person, as Counsel said, they're exercising every day and they have a messy garage, that obviously would not be indicative of hypomania, would it?
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Sejal Shah
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Probably not.
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Kevin Reddington
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A normal person could have, as Counsel said it. How about a person that at the same time can't sleep because the insomnia is so bad they go 48 hours without sleep? Is that something to be considered in the whole evaluation?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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How about the fact of a person saying that my brain is broken and that they can't concentrate, they can't think, is that something that you would consider in conjunction with the messy garage and the exercise?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thoughts of hurting themselves, suicidal ideation, that's something that's important to evaluate?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Homicidal ideation, telling your husband that you're having thoughts about hurting your children, that's something you'd consider, isn't it?
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Sejal Shah
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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In reference to Counsel's comment about just three medications that she was on prior to trying to commit suicide, you're not aware of the doctors telling her to discontinue this medication, start a new medication, go on to a different medication depending on the doctor. You're not aware of that, right?
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Sejal Shah
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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And finally, if you know, did she sign a DNR, do not resuscitate?
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Sejal Shah
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She asked to the day after the first evaluation that I did of her, which was the capacity assessment to change her healthcare proxy. But in the context of her reporting a serious suicide attempt, we did not change her code status. We continued to chat with her about that, and she ultimately came to the conclusion that it made sense to make sure that her mental health was stable before she considered her code status.
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Kevin Reddington
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Her initial reaction or her conversations with you all was that she wanted to have a do not resuscitate status?
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Sejal Shah
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Correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you.
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Judge
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Commonwealth?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Nothing further.
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Judge
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All right. Thank you, Doctor.
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Sejal Shah
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Judge
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All right. Members of the jury, we're going to take the afternoon recess at this point, so I'm going to ask you to go back to your room and then we'll come back here approximately two o'clock.
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Court, all rise. [inaudible 03:41:45].
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Judge
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Counsel, anything we need to address before the break?
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Jennifer Sprague
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No, Your Honor.
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Kevin Reddington
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No.
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Judge
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All right, so we'll be in recess till about two o'clock. Thank you.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you.
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Speaker 11
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[inaudible 03:42:36].
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Madam Clerk
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Your Honor, for the purpose of the record, we return back to the matter Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy. All parties are present, including the defendant excluding the jury.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Counsel, we ready for the jury?
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Speaker 13
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May we approach the stand?
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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Sure. Yeah. All right. And with that, you ready for the jury?
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Speaker 13
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Yes, Your Honor.
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All right.
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[inaudible 04:55:42].
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Yes.
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My next one's Ms. White.
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Court, all rise. Jurors entering. This court's now in session. Please be seated.
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Your Honor, for the purpose of the record, we return back to the trial of Commonwealth v. Lindsay Clancy. All parties are present, including the defendant and including the 18 jurors.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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All right. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Commonwealth, you ready to call your next witness?
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Yes, your Honor. The Commonwealth calls Dr. Biswas.
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[inaudible 04:56:41].
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Good afternoon, ma'am.
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Good afternoon.
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Can you stop right here and raise your right hand too?
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony [inaudible 04:56:49] the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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I do.
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Thank you. You may have a seat, ma'am.
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Thank you.
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Just there, please.
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Dr. Jhilam Biswas
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Thank you.
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Judge William F. Sullivan
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All right. Good afternoon, Doctor.
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Good afternoon.
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[inaudible 04:57:00] please.
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Thank you.
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All right. Good afternoon, Doctor.
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Good afternoon.
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William F. Sullivan
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All right. Commonwealth, please.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you, Your Honor. Good afternoon. Can you please state and spell your first and last name?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. My name is Jhilam Biswas. My first name is spelled J-H-I-L-A-M, last name spelled B-I-S-W-A-S.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And your date of birth?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Date of birth is 9/12/1982.
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What do you do for a living?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I am a forensic psychiatrist and I work at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what is a forensic psychologist, or psychiatrist, pardon?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Well, I'm a forensic psychiatrist by specialty training and we work in the courts often doing forensic evaluations of individuals, but I'm also an adult psychiatrist. And I work at Brigham and Women's Hospital as an adult psychiatrist on the consult-liaison unit.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And can you just briefly describe your education and training background that qualifies you for this work?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Sure. I grew up in the South Shore. I went to Dartmouth College and then I went to medical school at UMass Chan Medical School. I then did my psychiatry residency at Harvard Longwood, which consists of Brigham and Women's, Beth Israel, Boston Children's at the time. And after that, I did subspecialty training after my psychiatry residency in forensic psychiatry again at UMass Chan Medical School.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And focusing in on January of 2023, were you working at the Brigham and Women's Hospital?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I was.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And specifically on January 25th, 2023, did you interact with a woman, a patient there named Lindsay Clancy?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I did on January 26th.
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Jennifer Sprague
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26th? Okay. And in what capacity did you interact with her, as a forensic psychiatrist or as a member of the staff at Brigham and Women's?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I interacted with her as a member of the staff, the psychiatry staff at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you have a particular role that day on January 26th, 2023?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. I was on the consult-liaison service, which is the psychiatry service that's called by medical and surgical specialties to help evaluate and provide psychiatric recommendations.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you meet with Ms. Clancy on that day, on the 26th?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And was that around 2:14 PM that you had that interaction?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I think it was somewhere between 2:00 and 3:00, yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when you met with Lindsay Clancy, was that in her hospital room in the ICU?
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Jhilam Biswas
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It was.
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And was she intubated at the time?
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She was.
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And was she awake?
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She was awake.
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And was she oriented?
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So she was intubated, so it was difficult for her to really answer a range of questions and so she gestured to me to be able to write. And so we knew that she was really exhausted and anxious from the entire experience and the evaluation. And so we didn't ask her all of the questions around orientation.
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When she gestured that she wanted to write, did you give her something to write with or something to write on?
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I did.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And what did you give her?
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Paper.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And did you also give her a pen or something like that?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I did.
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Okay. And was she able to, when you asked her certain questions, was she able to answer those questions by writing the answers on the paper?
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‍ She was.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And did you ask her about her mood that day?
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I did ask her her mood.
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And what did she write?
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Jhilam Biswas
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She wrote horrified.
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And what was her affect during this interaction?
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At the time that I saw her, she was intubated, and that in and of itself is very uncomfortable. And so she seemed very anxious.
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And did she write anything else on that paper that you saw?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. The entire evaluation was done through writing because she couldn't speak.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So what types of questions were you asking her and what was she responding with?
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Jhilam Biswas
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So we asked her, "How are you feeling?" " Horrified." And then she wrote down, "Do I have an attorney?" And I said, "With my team that at this time, we're just getting to know you and getting to know the case and we're not sure exactly what is happening." And we asked her, "Do you have questions for us?" And she asked, "Is my body broken? Are my legs straight?" And she then asked about can she have visitors and where her family is.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And when you are asking her questions, what is the goal of the questions that you're asking her? What are you trying to address or assess?
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It depends. Psychiatrists are called for all kinds of issues that happen in the hospital. In this situation, we were asked around diagnostic clarity, that there was a likely suicide event that occurred. Can you evaluate her for safety at this time before she goes into surgery?
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And I know that she was intubated, so she's writing her answers. But based on the answers she wrote on the paper, did she seem to understand the questions you were asking?
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Yes.
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And her responses, did you understand those?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. She was anxious and she needed breaks. And I said, "Anytime you need a break, we can leave." But she did write to us those particular answers.
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So what she was writing, even when she asked if she had a lawyer, those were things, what she was writing made sense given the situation. She wasn't writing, "Is there a unicorn in the corner," right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Correct.
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What? I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. What?
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If there was a unicorn in the corner. So what she's asking, "Do I have an attorney? Are my legs straight? Is my body broken?" Those all made sense given the situation she was in, correct?
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They were relevant answers and questions she was asking.
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Okay. And are you familiar with the characteristics of psychosis?
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Yes.
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Okay. And what are the typical signs or symptoms of someone who is in psychosis?
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Jhilam Biswas
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It really depends, and it ranges across a spectrum of symptoms. So we have a whole category of different types of symptoms that we look at for psychosis, and they are different for everyone. But they can be what we call negative symptoms, which are more internal, isolating, not responding, not reacting very much. And then we have symptoms, like positive symptoms, that's what we call them in psychiatry, but they're a little bit more outward focused where objectively you can see what those symptoms are, like being paranoid, darting your eyes around, responding to internal stimuli, which means you're responding to voices and being within a delusion. So there's all kinds of symptoms and they look different for each and every person.
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In your conversation with Ms. Clancy, did you notice any internal or external signs of psychosis?
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Jhilam Biswas
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At the time I documented that I did not note those.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And did you also note that her thinking was linear, goal oriented, thoughtful, and she didn't appear to be responding to internal stimuli?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes, that is typical language in psychiatric mental statuses, and I did document that.
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What is internal stimuli?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Oftentimes it's very difficult for our patients to be able to articulate what they're hearing. They may have perceptual disturbances, like hallucinations or auditory hallucinations and maybe hearing voices. When it's really active, we often see those individuals interacting with those voices. I didn't see that in that particular moment.
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So for example, you could see someone engaging in a ... looks like they're engaging in a conversation with someone or it looks like they're looking over at something, thinking something or someone is there when they're not?
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Correct. That's what responding to internal stimuli is, yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And you didn't see any of that present with Ms. Clancy?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And would it be fair that some of the obvious signs of psychosis would be someone whose thoughts are disorganized, that their thinking isn't linear, that they're not making sense, things like word salad, where they're just throwing in words, making sentences that don't make sense?
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So you described symptoms that we can see in people with serious mental illness who have a psychotic disorder with active symptoms.
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And you didn't see any of that with Ms. Clancy, is that correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Not in that snapshot moment of time.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And to be clear, you only saw her for a limited amount of time on that one day, correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That is correct.
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And this is January 26th, 2023, about a day and a half or so after she's admitted to Brigham and Women's?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That is correct, yes.
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And she's still intubated?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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And one of the first questions she asked is, "Do I have a lawyer"?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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And did you have any, based on your training and experience, did you have any thoughts about her awareness or thoughtfulness about the questions she asked or the answers she gave?
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I don't know what that means. Objection.
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William F. Sullivan
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Okay. If you could rephrase that.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Did you have any assessment, professionally, of the responses and awareness that she had?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. At that time, I was trying to assess is she confused or oriented? Is she completely disorganized? Is she so anxious that she won't be able to sleep? I was assessing suicidality mostly. I was being called into the room for that. And so there were a lot of things that I was assessing all at the same time before the surgical intervention that was going to happen. And did I answer your question?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Jennifer Sprague
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All right. And so in doing that, in evaluating all of those things, did you have any concerns at that point in time that she couldn't make a decision to have the surgery or that there was some cause for concern there in her behavior?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I felt she had the capability to make the decision for surgery at that time.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. I have no further questions. Thank you.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Thank you.
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William F. Sullivan
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Mr. Reddington?
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Kevin Reddington
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Afternoon.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Good afternoon.
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So just a couple of questions. When counsel was asking you about psychosis, apparently you've dealt with people, some of your patients while you're working in the hospital that in fact were florid, they had psychosis and symptoms of psychosis?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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So you've dealt with people, is it a fair amount of people that would actually hear voices?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. I've seen many patients that are hearing voices.
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Kevin Reddington
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And to your knowledge, were they involved with command hallucinations, things of that nature?
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Jhilam Biswas
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My patients in the past?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah. A fair large amount of people that you've treated over the years that have suffered from command hallucinations, hearing voices, delusions, things of that nature, right?
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In my career, yes.
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Yeah. And do you know whether or not there had been any indication from Lindsay as to, well, in the hospital having any delusions or psychosis, symptoms of that nature? If you know.
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So I saw her ... she had only been in the hospital for a day and a half, and I hadn't heard about any psychotic delusions from anybody.
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And that's for what you saw, though. I mean, as far as you, how often would you see her?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I see. I saw her one time.
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Kevin Reddington
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Once? Okay. How long were you evaluating her?
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Probably, because she was intubated, it was very-
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Yeah, just asking how long.
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About 20 to 30 minutes.
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20 minutes, 30 minutes? And a psychosis, is a psychosis, to your knowledge, something that has to continue or does it stop?
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It absolutely depends on the patient, it depends on their age, how many episodes of psychosis they have had. It depends on the type of psychosis we're seeing. For some people, they can have moments of clarity, absolutely. And for some it can be more continuous. It really depends on the patient and their illness.
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Okay. So basically you're saying that it would be case specific?
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Yes.
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All right. And in the 20 minutes or so that you had, when you're dealing with Lindsay, were you aware of her prior medical and psychiatric history?
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When we get consulted on a case, we-
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Kevin Reddington
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm asking, were you aware of her medical and psychiatric history?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I was aware of the portion that was in the medical record before I saw her.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So that would deal with as far as postpartum psychosis?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Could you ask that question again?
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Yeah. When you looked at the medical record-
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Yes.
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... and when you were involved evaluating her on behalf of the hospital, because you weren't a psychiatrist that her mother or father had retained and asked to go see her, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Correct.
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You were working for the hospital.
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I was working for Brigham and Women's Hospital.
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Kevin Reddington
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And you had spoken to a number of people before you interacted with her for the 20 minutes that you saw her while she was there for a month, right?
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Now, were you aware of her history of documented postpartum depression?
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I was aware of mostly the postpartum anxiety that was in the record, yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And postpartum anxiety, the symptomology would be insomnia?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. Can be.
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Kevin Reddington
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And did she have insomnia prior to seeing you for 20 minutes?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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And do you recall the length of time that she would be suffering from insomnia? Was it like a week, a day, a month or what?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall the timing exactly.
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Kevin Reddington
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Do you recall that at one point that she was on medication and actually went for 48 hours without sleep?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall that exactly from the record, that number.
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Kevin Reddington
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Do you recall, in addition to the insomnia, that she was concerned as asking you if in fact her brain was broken?
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Jhilam Biswas
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She asked me, "Is my body broken?"
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Did you see in the records that she was concerned about the effect of the drugs and whether or not her "brain was broken"?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I did not see that language in the records.
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Kevin Reddington
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How about acting on command hallucinations, conversations or statements to the effect that she was having thoughts of suicidal ideation? You knew that, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I did know about the suicidal ideation, yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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How many times did she express to people that she would tell people that she had been concentrating on committing suicide? If you know.
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall the number of times.
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Kevin Reddington
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So in any event, you know that she was insomnia, you know that there was a significant period of time that she was suffering from insomnia, knew that she was expressing suicidal ideation. How about homicidal ideation? Did she express that?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Not from my review of the records.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Would that be indicative of a person that could be in psychosis, expressing concerns about homicidal ideation?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection.
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William F. Sullivan
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Overruled. I'll allow it.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Sorry, I don't know that question. Could you repeat that question?
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Kevin Reddington
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Sure. Is that one of the factors that one would be concerned about as a psychiatrist, if a person was expressing homicidal ideation?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I would be concerned about that as a psychiatrist.
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Kevin Reddington
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And in fact, in this case, you knew at least about the suicidal ideation that she had been expressing, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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But you didn't know about any homicidal ideation she was expressing, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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From the records or from-
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Kevin Reddington
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Prior to coming to see you for 20 minutes.
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Jhilam Biswas
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I knew that there was an event that had occurred and that-
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Kevin Reddington
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Three children died. That's the event you're referring to, right?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay.
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William F. Sullivan
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Next question.
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Kevin Reddington
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Now, as far as the period of time that she was involved with the ... By the way, what's hypomania?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Hypomania is sort of the gradual increase towards mania, the symptoms that we see in somebody who might have bipolar disorder. And with bipolar disorder, we see mixed depression, and we see mania, and we see symptoms that kind of gradually increase to mania, and we call that period hypomania.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did she exhibit, to your knowledge from the medical records, any periods of hypomania, excessive cleaning, exercise, or activities, being awake at night, things of that nature?
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Jhilam Biswas
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At that moment, on January 26th, I don't remember reading about that.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Do you have any memory of reading about it at all, other than that moment as a treating physician, a doctor, psychiatrist?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't remember.
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Kevin Reddington
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So what is your purpose at the hospital? I mean, you're not treating the person for any illness that they have as far as their mental condition, right? You're not treating them?
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Jhilam Biswas
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We are.
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Kevin Reddington
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Oh, you are?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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So you were concerned about obviously their symptomology, if any, that they present at the time that you're looking at them and talking to them, or in this case, she couldn't talk, but using what-
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Jhilam Biswas
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She couldn't talk and she was going into surgery and we had recommended suicidal precautions. We had recommended trauma-informed care so that she was getting the care that she needed. She was going to go into surgery. And then after that, we were going to continue to follow her and assess her and make sure that we were evaluating her appropriately and making recommendations to the surgical team for the care that she needed.
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Kevin Reddington
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[inaudible 05:17:28]
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection.
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William F. Sullivan
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Yeah. Next question.
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Kevin Reddington
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So when you're dealing with this person that's going into surgery, did you know what type of surgery she was going in for?
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Jhilam Biswas
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At the time, we knew that she was going into surgery for her spine.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did you know what happened with her spine?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I knew that she had injuries to her spine.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did you know that there was a transection injury, that her spine was basically exploded in T5, T6, other thoracic vertebrae fractured, including the cervical vertebrae up by her throat? You knew all that?
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Jhilam Biswas
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We were reading about it. It was all actively happening at that time.
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Kevin Reddington
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Was she in pain?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes. I'm sure she was.
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Kevin Reddington
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Was she on medication?
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Jhilam Biswas
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She was on a few medications related to pain and blood pressure.
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Kevin Reddington
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So she's brought into the hospital, you knew from reviewing her records as a psychiatrist that in fact she coded the day before, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall her coding the day before I saw her. I do recall from the records that she had a coding event after, I think on the 27th or 28th.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So you were not involved with her when she coded? Did you know that she had any events of that nature right after she was brought from the South Shore Hospital?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't know what you're referring to.
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Kevin Reddington
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You know what a code is, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did she almost die before you saw her?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I think it was after.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. How about perfusion, blood in the body and tubes being inserted into her chest? Did you know that from looking at the records?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I think that happened after.
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Kevin Reddington
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That was after?
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Jhilam Biswas
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But I don't recall because I don't have the records on me.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So did you know that she had massive transfusions?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Not at the-
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Kevin Reddington
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[inaudible 05:19:34] on this jury that it was after she saw you that she coded, had transfusions, had double tubes put into both sides of her lungs? It's your testimony that it was after she saw you? You don't know, do you?
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Jhilam Biswas
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My understanding is the surgery happened after I saw her.
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Kevin Reddington
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Oh, the surgery did. I'm asking you about the massive transfusions. I'm asking you about the tubes being inserted so that the 300 milligrams or whatever it is of blood can be perfused or taken out of her chest cavity. I'm asking about whether or not you knew that she had coded. I'm not asking about the surgery. Obviously that took place after you saw her, right?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection, asked and answered.
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William F. Sullivan
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No, overruled.
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Kevin Reddington
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Because that's why you were talking to her, right? To see if she could make an informed consent to a surgery, I guess.
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Jhilam Biswas
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No, I was called for the suicidal ideation.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. I'm sorry. I thought you said that you wanted to talk to her about the surgery as well.
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Jhilam Biswas
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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The suicidal ideation continues to this day, does it not?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Objection.
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William F. Sullivan
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Sustained.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did the suicidal ideation that you were concerned about continue the time that she was in Brigham and Women's Hospital for a month?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I saw her one time.
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Kevin Reddington
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Right. I know that. 20 minutes, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. So you know nothing about suicidal ideation after you saw her intubated and then laying in the bed, and then you talked to her as you've discussed with the jury, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That's correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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That's it?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That's correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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How about the cops? How many cops were there?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall.
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Kevin Reddington
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There were some, right? There were armed men in that room, were there not?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall. I think they were outside the room, if I remember correctly, from three years ago.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. I know it's been a while. Do you recall armed police officers being outside the room?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't recall.
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Kevin Reddington
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Do you have any memory of any police officers being outside the room where she was laying in that bed?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I knew she was in custody and generally in custody-
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Kevin Reddington
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No, no, not generally. Let's talk about Lindsay Clancy.
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Jhilam Biswas
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I can't recall.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Did you know that she couldn't even have visitors in the sense that the police would not even let her mother or father visit with her?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I can't recall.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did you know that ... When you were dealing with her, was she handcuffed to the side of the gurney or the stretcher?
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Jhilam Biswas
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She had a soft restraint, according to my documentation.
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Kevin Reddington
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Soft restraints? Okay.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Kevin Reddington
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Did you have any conversation with the police at all?
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Jhilam Biswas
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No.
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Kevin Reddington
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And after you spoke to her for 20 minutes, that really ended your involvement with Lindsay Clancy until today, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That is correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Okay. Thank you.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Thank you.
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William F. Sullivan
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Redirect?
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Jennifer Sprague
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Doctor, when you were being asked about these records that you reviewed, what records did you review?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I reviewed the records in Epic, which is our medical record at Brigham and Women's Hospital.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And so you didn't do a deep dive into Ms. Clancy's entire psychiatric history prior to coming to Brigham and Women's, correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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As you do, as is protocol for a consult, you look at the records and you make sure you have an understanding of what's been happening with the patient.
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Jennifer Sprague
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But did you have access at that time to all the records for all the treatment providers Ms. Clancy had seen regarding her mental health for the last six months?
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Jhilam Biswas
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I don't even know. I had some of the records. I don't know if I had all of the records.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Okay. And so you reviewed what you had, correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And then you met with the patient, correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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Correct.
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Jennifer Sprague
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And in meeting with her where she's had these events happen, she's had the tubes in her chest, she's about to go into surgery, one of the first things on her mind is, "Do I have a lawyer," correct?
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Kevin Reddington
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I'm going to object to that. Move to strike that. First of all, it wasn't applied across. Secondly, this is the fourth time that counsel has tried to accentuate that.
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William F. Sullivan
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Overruled. I'll allow that question. Go ahead.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Well, that was one of her first thoughts was, "Do I have a lawyer," correct?
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Jhilam Biswas
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She was exhausted. She was intubated. She could barely talk. She was writing and she was getting ready for surgery. And so those were the few questions that came up.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Right. She's exhausted. She's anxious. She's in pain. She's about to go in for surgery and she wants to know, "Do I have a lawyer?"
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Kevin Reddington
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Objection.
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William F. Sullivan
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Sustained.
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Jennifer Sprague
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So given the condition she was in at that time, defense counsel asked you about the pain she was in, defense counsel asked you about the surgery she was about to go into.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Those are the issues that she was focused on.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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In your conversation with her, "Am I broken? Are my legs straight?"
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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"Do I have a lawyer?"
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Jhilam Biswas
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Yes.
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Jennifer Sprague
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Thank you.
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Kevin Reddington
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She wasn't focused on much while she was exhausted, in pain, anxious and concerned about the future surgery that she was imminent, was she?
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William F. Sullivan
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If you could speak up, ask that question again.
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Kevin Reddington
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Sorry. She wasn't focused on much of anything while she was exhausted, in pain, unable to talk and anticipating imminent surgery, right?
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Jhilam Biswas
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That's correct.
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Kevin Reddington
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Thank you. That's all I have.
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William F. Sullivan
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Anything, Commonwealth?
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Jennifer Sprague
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No.
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William F. Sullivan
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All right. Thank you, Doctor.
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Jhilam Biswas
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Thank you. Thank you.
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William F. Sullivan
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All right. Commonwealth?
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Shanan Buckingham
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The Commonwealth would call Robert Flynn as its next witness, please.
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Baliff
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Good afternoon, sir. Up here. Raise your right hand for the clerk.
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Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to court [inaudible 05:26:15]?
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Robert Flynn
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I do.
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Clerk
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Thank you. You may have a seat.
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Baliff
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[inaudible 05:26:21]. Watch your step, please.
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William F. Sullivan
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All right. Good afternoon, sir.
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Robert Flynn
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Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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William F. Sullivan
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Yeah, Attorney Buckingham, please.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Thank you. Good afternoon. Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Robert Flynn
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Robert Flynn, F-L-Y-N-N.
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Shanan Buckingham
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And how are you employed, sir?
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Robert Flynn
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From the Duxbury Police Department.
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Shanan Buckingham
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What is your current rank or assignment there?
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Robert Flynn
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Currently, I am a patrol sergeant.
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Shanan Buckingham
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How long have you been with the Duxbury Police?
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Robert Flynn
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About seven and a half years.
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Shanan Buckingham
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Going back to January of 2023, what was your assignment then?
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Robert Flynn
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I was assigned to the Detective Bureau.
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Shanan Buckingham
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So if I draw your attention to January 24th of 2023, were you working working that day or were you called in?
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Robert Flynn
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05:27:02
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Both. I worked the 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM shift, and I was called in later after my shift.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:27:07
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Okay. So you became aware of an incident that occurred in the town of Duxbury, approximately 6:00 PM that evening?
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Robert Flynn
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:27:14
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And so when you come back in after working that day shift, where do you go or where are you directed to go?
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Robert Flynn
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05:27:22
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I was contacted by Sergeant Detective Jamali, who informed me to respond to 47 Summer Street.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:27:27
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And so while you're en route to that location, are you monitoring the radio?
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Robert Flynn
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05:27:32
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:27:33
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And are you monitoring communications with other Duxbury officers?
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Robert Flynn
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05:27:37
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Yes, ma'am. I had a department issued vehicle that I took home and I responded to it in that vehicle and I had scan on, which is getting all surrounding agencies, including fire, Pembroke, Kingston, Marshfield.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:27:52
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And while you were en route and had that radio on, could you hear officers screaming and it being chaotic?
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Robert Flynn
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05:28:02
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:28:03
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When you arrived at 47 Summer Street, were there already other first responders there?
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Robert Flynn
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05:28:09
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:28:09
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And is it fair to say that when you actually arrived at that location, you were made aware that the children that were on scene had already been transported?
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Robert Flynn
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05:28:21
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No.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:28:22
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Okay. So what did you know when you arrived? What did you learn?
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Robert Flynn
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05:28:25
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I knew that there was an incident involving children. I learned that when I initially responded and spoke to Sergeant Homestead. He was the one that informed me that it appeared that a mother had killed her three kids.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:28:40
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Okay. When you got there on the scene, were the children still in the house?
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Robert Flynn
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05:28:44
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So I was under the impression that they were still in the house because most incidents I've had involving a sudden death at a house, the fire department declares them on scene and it becomes a police matter and we help with the investigation.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:28:59
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Okay. And that was your understanding based on the information that you had, correct? But did you come to learn that the children had been transported?
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Robert Flynn
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05:29:07
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:29:08
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And how about the individual, the fourth person, if you will, on scene? Were you advised that there was a woman who had been transported from the scene as well?
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Robert Flynn
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05:29:19
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Yes, ma'am.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:29:21
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Okay. And as a result of kind of the nature of what you believed you were coming into, did you call for extra help?
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Robert Flynn
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05:29:30
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Within our own department or?
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:29:31
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With an outside department.
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Robert Flynn
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05:29:33
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Yes. Yeah. So the Massachusetts State Police has jurisdiction over any death investigation in town of Duxbury and other communities. So we are to notify investigators of the State Police.
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Shanan Buckingham
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05:29:48
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And as a detective with the Duxbury Police, you're familiar with that relationship with the state police that oftentimes when a death investigation occurs, that you work in connection with the State Police detectives unit of that jurisdiction to conduct an investigation, correct?
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Robert Flynn
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05:30:03
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:30:00
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... of that jurisdiction to conduct an investigation, correct?
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Speaker 20
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:30:04
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And so in this instance, when you went there, you believed that the children had already passed, so you made that phone call to the detective's unit, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:30:11
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That's correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:30:12
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And certainly... Well, sometime thereafter you were advised of the children's passing and that this was a death investigation, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:30:20
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That is correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:30:22
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Once the children had been removed from the scene and the defendant had been removed to the scene, did you and your other officers from the Duxbury Police Department do anything to secure the scene?
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Speaker 20
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05:30:32
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Yes. Once we gathered more information and I notified the Massachusetts State Police, we decided to conduct a security sweep of the house. This is to make sure that there was no further suspects or further victims or any other people in the house that we may have missed.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:30:50
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In regards to this security sweep, what is the goal... You just described it's to kind of identify if there are other people, but as far as your observations and your contact within the house, do you try to minimize your contact within the house in those instances?
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Speaker 20
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05:31:05
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Yes. I'm not searching for any type of evidence. I just have different observations that I obviously notice.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:31:11
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And what areas of the house did you go into prior to the arrival of the state police?
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Speaker 20
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05:31:18
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I first entered... I entered with three of us, Sergeant Potrykus, who's from the Kingston Police Department, and it was Lieutenant Weiler at the time. So we all went into our own separate rooms and separate ways throughout the house, but I think ultimately all three of us went to all three floors of the home.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:31:36
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Okay. And so talking first about the main floor of the house, did you go into the kitchen area?
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Speaker 20
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Yes, I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:31:43
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And did you make any observations in that kitchen area?
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Speaker 20
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05:31:49
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It was clear to me that there was young children living there. There was some paintings on the wall. I noticed a takeout food bag. The only word I remember from that is it being Mediterranean written on the receipt.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:03
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Okay. And if I may approach with a picture.
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Mr. Reddington
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05:32:10
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Objection to the pictures, Judge.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:12
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Showing you a picture. Does this accurately depict the kitchen area that you observed?
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Speaker 20
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05:32:16
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:18
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I would move to admit this into evidence.
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Judge
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05:32:20
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That may be admitted.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:27
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Just showing you on the screen what's now been marked as Exhibit 44. This is the kitchen at 47 Summer Street and in the middle of the photograph is a takeout bag, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:32:38
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:39
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And you're aware that in the background here of the photograph where there's a kitchen table, there's a door next to it?
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Speaker 20
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05:32:47
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:48
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And then there's, on the other opposite side, there's a slider door, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:32:50
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:32:52
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And in addition to making those general observations about the kitchen area, did you go in other areas of the main floor of the house?
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Speaker 20
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05:32:59
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Yes, I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:00
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And in the living room area... I'll show you what's been marked already as Exhibit 25. Is that familiar to you as well?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:08
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:09
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And again, upon your kind of sweep of this house, what stood out to you about the living room area?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:15
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There it appeared a young child lived there and there was food on the couch, like a snack.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:21
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And in this photograph, can you see a couple bowls, a bowl here on the bottom of the photo and a bowl further up on the couch?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:28
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:32
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Now in that main area of the house, you didn't find any other individuals, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:37
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Negative.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:38
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And had you been made aware that the husband, Patrick Clancy, had been on scene and he had also been transported from the area?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:46
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Patrick Clancy was on scene when I was there.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:48
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Okay. At some point, did he go in an ambulance?
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Speaker 20
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05:33:51
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:33:52
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Okay. Now in that second floor of the... Well, let me ask you, what's the next area of the house that you recall going through in this suite?
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Speaker 20
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Into the basement.
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Ms. Sprague
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Now, were you advised that things had occurred in the basement?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:09
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I think so. I'm not really-
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:12
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Okay. And fair to say this was still, upon your arrival, a pretty chaotic scene?
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Speaker 20
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:17
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There was a lot of firefighters around, a lot of equipment going around?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:21
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:21
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Okay. In that basement, did you do a full sweep of every room in the basement?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:27
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Like I said, three of us combined and made sure that we at least hit every part that a human or someone could be in. So yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:37
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Okay. But as far as you yourself, fair to say you just went in on the left side?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:41
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Yes, I went into the left.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:44
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And did you see a lot of the firefighters' equipment still left behind?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:47
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:47
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A lot of medical supplies?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:50
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:50
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Now, going up to now the second floor, did you go to the second floor of the home?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:54
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The top floor of the-
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:55
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Yes.
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Speaker 20
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05:34:56
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:34:57
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And did you enter into the master bedroom?
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Speaker 20
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05:34:59
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:00
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And is there anything that kind of struck you about walking into that master bedroom as far as the temperature of the room?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:07
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It was colder than the rest of the house.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:09
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And did you notice that there was in fact a window open?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:13
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:13
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Okay. So I'm just going to show you what's been marked as Exhibit 43. Is that familiar to you as the window that you observed open?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:20
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:23
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And as far as the furniture in that bedroom, did you make any observations of a bed in the room?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:30
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:30
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Was there anything that stood out to you on the bedding or in the area of the bed?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:37
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The bedding itself?
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:40
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If it stood out to you.
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Speaker 20
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05:35:41
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Not necessarily, no. The first time-
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:45
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How about the items on the bed?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:46
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Yeah. Already Potrykus pointed out that there was a cell phone on the bed.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:35:49
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Okay. I'm just going to show you what's already been marked as Exhibit 42. Let me see. There's an object. Is that how it appeared when you first entered into the bedroom?
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Speaker 20
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05:35:59
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:36:00
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The phone. At some point, were you able to go out to the backyard of the home?
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Speaker 20
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05:36:13
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Yes, ma'am. So after leaving the upstairs, we went back through the kitchen, and that's... We talked about earlier, and went out through the back slider.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:36:20
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And were you able to make observations of the backyard area?
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Speaker 20
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05:36:23
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Yes. We came up to a porch and took a left, which would've been the back right side of the house. And there was some matted down snow and some other medical equipment, which we believed was the window that Lindsay Clancy came out of.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:36:38
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And from that area or that vantage point in the backyard where you were, could you see into other areas of the house?
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Speaker 20
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05:36:46
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:36:46
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And what areas of the house could you see into?
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Speaker 20
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05:36:49
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Near where that area was, there was a basement window that kind of went into... I later learned what it was, but a basement window to an office or gym area.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:37:08
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Show you Exhibit 38. Is that familiar as the backyard view?
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Speaker 20
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05:37:18
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:37:19
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And fair to say there's an area here of the photo that I'm pointing to with my pen, which is on my right, that is a window well. Is that the window you could see into?
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Speaker 20
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05:37:30
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:37:32
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And then again, in this photograph, do you see the open window that you observed when you went into the bedroom?
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Speaker 20
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05:37:36
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:37:36
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As far as that open window, when you were in the backyard, did you see any screens or anything around the property that would give you any indication of how that window was open or the condition of the window?
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Speaker 20
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05:37:50
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No. To me, it appeared that the screen was just pushed up.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:37:58
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Now again, as you and the three other investigators did that sweep at the house, you didn't touch or move anything, correct?
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Speaker 20
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05:38:04
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Negative.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:38:06
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And once you did that security sweep, is there a protocol in place to make sure that the scene remains as it is until the state police arrive?
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Speaker 20
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05:38:14
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Yeah. One of the officers was logging individuals that were in and out of the house. Crime scene tape was put up around the property. The doors were secured. And around this time is when I received a phone call from Trooper McKelligan.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:38:29
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Okay. And did you remain on scene?
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Speaker 20
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05:38:34
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We remained on scene until some troopers showed up to the area.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:38:37
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Okay. And while you were on scene, did you attempt to help coordinate other members of the Duxbury Police Department to take care of other things, like going to the hospitals and securing coverage?
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Speaker 20
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05:38:49
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The decision for who was going to the hospital was made by our command staff, but I met some of the troopers back at the station to coordinate further.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:00
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Okay. And when you were back at the station, were you aware or advised that a search warrant was sought for the residence?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:07
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:08
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Did you go back to 47 Summer Street with the team when the search warrant was received?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:14
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:14
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And did you participate in the execution of that warrant?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:19
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I was present during it.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:22
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Okay. Fair to say though, you weren't responsible for searching any particular location or collecting any evidence?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:30
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No, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:31
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That was reserved for the state police?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:33
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For the most part, yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:36
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At the conclusion of that search warrant, were you asked to go back into the house?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:40
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:41
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And what were you asked to go back in the house to do?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:43
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Once the search warrant was completed, my lieutenant told me to go back up into the house and close the window in the upstairs bedroom.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:52
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And when you went back and got closer to that window, did you make any observations of damage to the window or the window screen?
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Speaker 20
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05:39:58
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No.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:39:59
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And were you able to close it and secure the window?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:02
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Eventually, yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:04
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Fair to say there was blood in that area that kind of was in the way?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:08
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Yes, and the bed was pushed in front of it.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:11
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So did you have to move the bed in order to get to the window?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:14
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:15
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As far as anything removed from the home, did you go back into the basement at somebody's direction?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:23
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No, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:24
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At some point, had you helped to remove some medical equipment that the fire department had left behind?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:30
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That was during the search warrant.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:31
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Okay. And is that the only items that you yourself removed from the home?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:36
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:38
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As part of the follow-up investigation, did you work with Trooper McKelligan and some of the other troopers from the State Police Detectives Unit to conduct follow-up interviews and gather more information?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:49
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Yes, ma'am.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:40:50
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Is it fair to say that the state police were the primary investigators and they took over pretty much everything from that point on?
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Speaker 20
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05:40:57
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That's correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:41:11
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I have nothing further. Thank you.
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Judge
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05:41:12
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All right. Mr. Reddington?
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Mr. Reddington
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05:41:15
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I have no questions. Thank you, sir.
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Judge
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05:41:16
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All right. Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 20
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05:41:17
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:41:24
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Commonwealth calls Mark Farioli.
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Bailiff
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Good afternoon, sir. Can you stop right there and raise your right hand for the clerk.
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Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court [inaudible 05:42:07] shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Mark Farioli
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I do.
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Clerk
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Thank you, sir. You may have a seat.
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Judge
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All right. Good afternoon, sir.
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Mark Farioli
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05:42:14
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Afternoon, Your Honor.
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Ms. Sprague
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If I may? Thank you.
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Judge
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Yes, please.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:42:17
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Good afternoon. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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Mark Farioli
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05:42:21
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I am Detective Mark Farioli, F-A-R-I-O-L-I.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:42:26
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Where do you work?
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Mark Farioli
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05:42:27
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The Massachusetts State Police.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:42:29
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How long have you been a state trooper?
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Mark Farioli
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Since 2005.
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Ms. Sprague
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And back in January of 2023, where were you assigned within the state police?
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Mark Farioli
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05:42:39
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I was assigned to the Plymouth County State Police Detective Unit.
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Ms. Sprague
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And were you involved in a limited way in the investigation regarding Lindsay Clancy?
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Mark Farioli
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Yes, I was.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:42:51
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And specifically directing your attention to January 27th, 2023, were you aware that a search warrant was obtained on that date to collect the blood and urine of Lindsay Clancy from South Shore Hospital?
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Mark Farioli
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Yes, I was.
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Ms. Sprague
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And then directing your attention to January 31st, 2023, at 10:25 in the morning, did you go to the South Shore Hospital to collect the blood and urine of Lindsay Clancy?
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Mark Farioli
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Yes, I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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And where did you collect that from?
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Mark Farioli
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The lab at South Shore Hospital.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. And was that from the specimen process supervisor Melissa Arcadipane?
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Mark Farioli
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Yes, it was.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:43:32
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And do you recall how many vials you collected? ‍
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Mark Farioli
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05:43:35
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In total, I collected seven vials.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:43:39
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And was that all blood or urine or both?
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Mark Farioli
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05:43:42
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Six were blood vials and one was urine.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:43:46
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And once you collected those vials, where did you bring them?
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Mark Farioli
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05:43:49
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I brought them directly to the Massachusetts state lab in Lakeville.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:43:55
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And did you drop those off at the state lab at approximately 11:15 AM on January 31st, 2023?
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Mark Farioli
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Yes, I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:44:03
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And do you recall who you gave the vials of blood and urine belonging to Lindsay Clancy to at the lab?
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Mark Farioli
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05:44:09
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Leah O'Connell.
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Ms. Sprague
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Thank you.
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Judge
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Mr. Reddington?
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Mr. Reddington
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Your Honor, we have stipulated to the chain of custody for the blood.
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Ms. Sprague
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[inaudible 05:44:23].
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Judge
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05:44:22
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All right. Any questions?
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Mr. Reddington
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05:44:23
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No, I don't have... Thank you, sir. I have no questions.
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Mark Farioli
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05:44:25
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All right. Thank you.
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Mr. Reddington
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05:44:26
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Thank you.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:44:32
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Call Leah O'Connell.
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Judge
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Thank you.
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Bailiff
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Can you stop right here and raise your right hand for the clerk?
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Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court and the jury in the matter upcoming between the Commonwealth and the defendant [inaudible 05:45:18] shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Leah O'Connell
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I do.
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Clerk
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Okay. Thank you. You may take a seat, Miss.
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Bailiff
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Watch your step, please.
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Leah O'Connell
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Thank you.
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Bailiff
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You're welcome.
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Judge
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Hi, good afternoon.
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Leah O'Connell
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Good afternoon, sir.
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Judge
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Hi. Counsel?
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Ms. Sprague
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05:45:31
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Thank you. Good afternoon. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:45:35
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My name is Leah O'Connell, L-E-A-H, O-C-O-N-N-E-L-L.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:45:40
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Where do you work?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:45:41
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Currently, I'm employed with the Massachusetts State Police as a trooper.
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Ms. Sprague
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Back in January of 2023, were you also employed with the state police?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:45:50
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I was, at the crime lab.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:45:51
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And what were your responsibilities at the crime lab at that time?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:45:55
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So I was a forensic evidence technician, so we would receive evidence submitted to the lab for testing.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:46:00
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And once you received that evidence at the lab... Well, first of all, who would you receive that from? Would that be chemists? Would that be troopers? Who would it be from?
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Leah O'Connell
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It was local, state, sometimes federal agencies, but there was also scene evidence gathered by a chemist that we would have to log into the system.
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Ms. Sprague
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And so would it be your responsibility to take that evidence, log it into the system, and move it along for a process through the lab?
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Leah O'Connell
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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And were there tracking numbers or lab numbers that you would assign to evidence in order to keep track of it as it progressed through the lab?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:46:36
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Yes. Every case gets its own number.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:46:38
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Okay. And directing your attention to January 31st, 2023, at 11:15 AM, do you recall receiving six vials of blood and one vial of urine belonging to Lindsay Clancy from Trooper Mark Farioli?
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Leah O'Connell
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I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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And when you received those items, did you log them appropriately into the system with her case number?
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Leah O'Connell
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I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:46:58
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And how were they stored after that point?
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Leah O'Connell
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05:47:01
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So they go into a heat-sealed pack. So it's like a plastic bag that gets heat sealed, initial, and dated, and then it goes right into a fridge.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. Thank you.
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Judge
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To you, Reddington?
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Mr. Reddington
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05:47:11
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I have no questions. We stipulate to the blood.
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Judge
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05:47:17
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Okay. All right. Well, thank you. You may step down. Thank you.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:47:20
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Commonwealth calls John Santos.
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Judge
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Thank you.
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Speaker 21
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You can [inaudible 05:48:56].
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John Santos
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Thank you.
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Bailiff
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Good afternoon. Can you stop right here and raise your right hand for the clerk.
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Clerk
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony and the evidence you shall give to the court and the jury in the matter upcoming between the Commonwealth and the defendant [inaudible 05:49:11] shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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John Santos
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I do.
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Clerk
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Thank you, sir. You can have a seat.
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Bailiff
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Can you watch your step, please?
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Judge
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05:49:17
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Thank you. Good afternoon, sir.
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John Santos
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Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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Judge
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05:49:19
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To you, Sprague, please.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:20
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Thank you. Good afternoon. Can you please state and spell your name for the record?
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John Santos
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05:49:24
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Good afternoon. My name's John Santos, J-O-H-N, S-A-N-T-O-S.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:29
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Where do you work?
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John Santos
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The Massachusetts State Police.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:32
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And what department are you currently in?
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John Santos
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05:49:35
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I'm assigned to the Division of Investigative Services.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:39
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And back in January of 2023, what was your assignment?
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John Santos
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05:49:43
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I was assigned to the State Police Detective Unit in Plymouth County.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:48
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Specifically on January 24th, 2023, were you part of a search warrant team at 47 Summer Street in Duxbury?
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John Santos
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Yes, I was.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:49:58
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And what was your role in terms of where you were assigned to search within the home?
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John Santos
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I searched multiple locations, to include the basement, the kitchen area, and then the master bedroom on the second floor.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. And specifically directing your attention to the kitchen area, did you search a cabinet in the kitchen above and to the right of the stove?
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John Santos
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Yes, I did.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:50:31
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Showing you a photograph. Is this a clear and accurate depiction of the items you found in that cabinet on January 24th, 2023?
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John Santos
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05:50:40
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Yes, it is.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:50:42
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I'm going to have this photo marked as the next exhibit.
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Judge
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All right. That may be admitted.
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Mr. Reddington
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05:50:56
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[inaudible 05:50:57]
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Speaker 19
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05:50:56
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Exhibit 145.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:50:57
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Thank you. I'm showing you Exhibit 145 on the screen here. So focusing your attention on the top shelf, there were several notebooks and books that were seized. Is that correct?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:51:06
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Were those taken out of the cabinet and cataloged by the state police?
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John Santos
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05:51:11
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Yes, they were.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:51:30
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I'm showing you five items. If you could just look through these and let me know if these were the items that were taken?
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Mr. Reddington
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05:51:36
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We'll stipulate that those are the items that were in her kitchen.
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Judge
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Okay. Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:51:39
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If I could have these marked as the next five exhibits, please.
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Judge
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Do you want it... five separate 5 A3-
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Ms. Sprague
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05:51:54
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Five separate.
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Ms. Sprague
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Please.
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Speaker 21
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05:52:29
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What is that?
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Ms. Sprague
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05:52:29
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146
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Speaker 21
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05:52:31
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Exhibits 146 through 150.
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Judge
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05:52:32
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All right. Thank you.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:52:33
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And, sir, showing you what's been marked 146. Those appear to be discharge paperwork from McLean Hospital for Lindsay Clancy?
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John Santos
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05:52:47
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:52:54
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And this discharge paperwork on the third page included a list of medications. Is that correct?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:53:04
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So we have lorazepam one milligram, melatonin five milligrams, and trazodone 50 milligrams, correct?
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John Santos
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05:53:11
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:53:12
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Along with a description of when she's to take those medications, correct?
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John Santos
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05:53:17
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:53:31
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There's also instructions on the sixth page in about resources for therapy and community services, correct?
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John Santos
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05:53:46
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:53:51
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And then Exhibit 147 is a notebook. Inside it had a postpartum depression and anxiety patient information sheet, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:00
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:02
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And then a detailing of different medications and the amounts taken and the dates they were taken, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:09
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Yes, correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:12
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Then there was a book, Good Moms Have Scary Thoughts, item 148, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:17
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:20
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And then 149, a pregnancy and postpartum anxiety workbook, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:25
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:29
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And nothing is filled out in this workbook, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:33
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:35
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And then finally, Exhibit 150, a notebook labeled Callan Patrick Clancy, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:41
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:42
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And inside this were messages back and forth between Lindsay Clancy and the nanny, correct?
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John Santos
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05:54:49
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Correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:54:56
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Now, you mentioned that you searched several rooms in the home, correct?
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John Santos
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Yes, correct.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:55:03
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How do you divide that up? How is it decided who's going to search where when you're doing a search like this in a home?
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John Santos
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It's somewhat fluid. We try not to send too many people in one room at a time because we end up tripping over each other to a certain extent. So usually it's kind of as we go along because we don't have an idea of what the layout of the house is before we get there, so it's difficult to plan that. The supervisors who are overseeing the search will direct different troopers or investigators to search different rooms.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:55:38
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And so you said you searched the kitchen area, correct?
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John Santos
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05:55:42
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:55:43
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Were you present when prescription medication was found in the kitchen or had you already moved on?
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John Santos
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I don't recall the medication being found while I was there.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:55:53
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And when you search a room, are you the only one searching or are there other team members searching different parts of the room, kind of a divide and conquer?
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John Santos
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Exactly. That's how it is. We divide and search different sections of the room.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:06
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Okay. And you said you went to the basement area. Do you remember what side of the basement you searched?
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John Santos
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05:56:11
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I was in the office portion of the basement.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:14
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And had anyone already been in that room or were you the first to go in or did you know?
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John Santos
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05:56:22
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I believe somebody had already been in that room when I made my way down there. I don't recall who was in there, but I don't think I was the first person to make my way in that room.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:31
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And you didn't collect anything in that room, correct?
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John Santos
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05:56:34
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I did collect-
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:35
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Oh, you did. Okay.
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John Santos
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05:56:36
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... some items in the office. Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:37
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What items did you collect in the office?
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John Santos
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05:56:38
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There was, I believe, two laptop computers and an external hard drive.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:44
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Okay. And so you collected those items from the office. And when you do a search warrant, is there one trooper assigned to keep track of everything that's found, where it's found, who found it?
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John Santos
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05:56:57
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Yes, there is.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:56:59
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Okay. And so do you recall who that person was in this case?
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John Santos
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05:57:02
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I don't recall. No.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:57:05
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But when you do find something, is it you bring it to that person and they log it and then you move on and keep looking for other things?
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John Santos
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05:57:12
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Normally the evidence officer would come down. We assign them and label them the evidence officer for each search warrant. They would come down to the area or to the area where the item was being recovered from. And we'd also have a crime scene services photo of the item in place as well before it was collected. So the evidence officer would come to us.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:57:32
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Okay. For example, with the laptops, photos would be taken of them in the office and then they would be logged and then they'd be taken out of the office?
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John Santos
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Exactly.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:57:41
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And is that what happened with the books and the notebooks that we discussed earlier?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:57:46
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Okay. And you said that you then went up at some point to the main bedroom, the master bedroom?
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John Santos
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05:57:51
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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05:57:52
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And what did you do inside the master bedroom?
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John Santos
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I assisted with searching the master bedroom. I don't believe I recovered anything within there.
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Ms. Sprague
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Do you recall ever looking in the nightstand drawer or anywhere near the nightstand by the open window?
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John Santos
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I don't believe I did, no.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. And is there any reason why you wouldn't have gone into that drawer or looked in that drawer?
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John Santos
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Somebody else was probably already searching that area would be my guess.
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Ms. Sprague
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What area did you search in the bedroom?
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John Santos
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I believe there was a closet. When you walk into the bedroom. I believe there was a closet area to the left. I was in that area. And then I made my way at some point to the left side of the bed as well.
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Ms. Sprague
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And did you find anything in the bedroom of note?
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John Santos
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No.
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Ms. Sprague
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Now, when you're doing a search warrant right when an investigation happens, how do you know what to look for?
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John Santos
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Well, it depends on what you're investigating. This case specifically, we knew the facts... we knew at that time. So I mean, when I noticed those notebooks in the cabinet, certainly I thought that information was pertinent to this investigation based on what we knew. But every investigation is a little bit different. The facts are different. I mean, clearly you want to look for items that relate to the suspect, victims, or any associates of them and that might relate to the incident that's being investigated.
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Ms. Sprague
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When the search was being done in the home at 47 Summer Street that night, did officers already know that Ms. Clancy had crushed up pills and taken them with lemonade?
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John Santos
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No.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. Had you learned from Patrick Clancy, the husband, that Ms. Clancy had been prescribed some medication?
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John Santos
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I did, yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. And were you aware at some point that medication was found in the kitchen?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Ms. Sprague
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Okay. I have nothing further. Thank you.
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Judge
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All right. Thank you. Mr. Reddington?
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Mr. Reddington
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Who found the medication in the kitchen?
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John Santos
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I don't recall, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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It certainly wasn't somebody randomly off the street. It was a cop, right?
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John Santos
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Yeah. A police officer and investigator, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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State police?
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John Santos
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Yes. Well, we had some local officers there with us as well.
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Mr. Reddington
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Yeah. So it was law enforcement that found the pill bottles in the kitchen, right?
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John Santos
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I believe so.
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Mr. Reddington
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And seized them, is that correct?
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John Santos
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And documented that they had seized them in the kitchen feeling... someone, whoever it was, that it was relevant and material to this investigation, right?
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John Santos
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And the books that we've just gone through, someone felt that a notebook captioned Callan Patrick Clancy would be relevant and material to this investigation, right?
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John Santos
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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Right?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Along with the pregnancy and postpartum anxiety workbook, right?
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John Santos
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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Along with the Good Moms Have SScary Thoughts, right?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Along with the documents pertinent to the McLean Hospital where she had been discharged from, right?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Along with another notebook that had postpartum depression and anxiety, correct?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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There were also other documents that were... items, I should say, that were seized in the house that have already been introduced for the record, Exhibit 81. And looks like a diary, Exhibit 83, of, "Slept well last night," things of that nature. That was seized as well, right?
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John Santos
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I believe so, yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. Do you know why all these were seized?
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John Santos
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Why the books that I seized was seized?
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Mr. Reddington
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No, no, no. Your investigation. Are you a lieutenant, a sergeant?
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John Santos
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I'm a captain, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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A captain?
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John Santos
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Yes, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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And back then, was was your... You were a captain?
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John Santos
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I was a lieutenant at that time.
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Mr. Reddington
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You were the ranking officer in the search?
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John Santos
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No. There was also a detective lieutenant assigned unit commander at that time.
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Mr. Reddington
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But you're up here enough and you knew from the investigation what was relevant and material in the investigation, right?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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And obviously you or somebody else working with you determined that all of these items, the pills that were seized, the books that were seized from the kitchen, et cetera, were relevant and material, correct?
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John Santos
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you know who searched the bedroom? I know you said you were in there. Did you search the bedroom, master bedroom?
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John Santos
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I was part of the team that searched the bedroom. There were a number of other officers that searched the bedroom as well. I believe in the report it documents who seized what from the bedroom.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay.
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John Santos
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I don't know off the top of my head who that was, sir, but I know it's clearly labeled in the report.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. Do you have the report?
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John Santos
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I do not, no.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you recall how many law officers were actually involved in that little bedroom, searching?
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John Santos
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I would have to guess approximately five.
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Mr. Reddington
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Five. And as Counsel asked, when somebody discovered something that appeared to be relevant-
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Mr. Reddington
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Counsel asked when somebody discovered something that appeared to be relevant or material, they would log it in. Somebody that would kind of be the record keeper, would log it in, correct?
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Speaker 22
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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One of the things that you would also, you yourself, I believe, seize would be the laptop computers that were downstairs in the office, right?
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Speaker 22
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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And you seized also, collectively you, I mean, you or the other five people, seized the cell phone that was on the bed?
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Speaker 22
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Yes, I believe there was a cell phone seized from the bedroom.
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Mr. Reddington
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So it made sense as an investigator that electronic media and things of that nature would be important, correct?
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Speaker 22
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Was there an Apple Watch involved in this investigation, if you know?
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Speaker 22
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I believe there was an Apple Watch recovered after the fact, that we didn't recover at the search warrant, if I recall correctly.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you know when it was recovered?
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Speaker 22
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I don't know exactly off the top of my head. No, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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The Apple Watch that I recovered with Pat Clancy?
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Speaker 22
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I believe so, sir. Yeah. I believe there was a watch that was turned into us after the fact that wasn't recovered during the search warrant.
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Mr. Reddington
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So looking at this draw, do you recall that next to the bed or in the bedroom, there was a nightstand and there was a draw? And inside the draw were a bunch of pill bottles, an Apple Watch, sleeping aids, things of that nature?
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Speaker 22
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I didn't search that draw, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. And I don't mean to embarrass you. I'm just asking, do you know why nobody bothered to search that drawer?
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Speaker 22
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I don't know that it wasn't searched. I just know that I didn't search it, sir. So it may have been searched and maybe whoever searched it didn't feel that that information was pertinent to seize. I can't speak for them, but I can tell you that I didn't search that drawer.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. That's all I have, judge.
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Speaker 23
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Redirect?
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Speaker 24
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No, Your Honor.
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Speaker 23
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All right. Thank you, sir.
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Speaker 22
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Speaker 24
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The Commonwealth would call Cory Melo as its next witness.
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Speaker 23
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Stop right there, raise your right hand for the clerk, please.
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Speaker 25
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Good afternoon. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony [inaudible 06:05:44] the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I do.
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Speaker 25
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Thank you. You can have a seat, sir.
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Cory Melo
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Thank you very much.
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Speaker 23
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Good afternoon, sir.
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Cory Melo
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Good afternoon, Your Honor.
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Speaker 23
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[inaudible 06:05:58] please.
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Speaker 24
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Thank you. Good afternoon. Could you please tell the jurors your first and last name?
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Cory Melo
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Cory Melo.
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Speaker 24
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And can you spell your first name for the record?
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Cory Melo
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C-O-R-Y.
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Speaker 24
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And your last name?
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Cory Melo
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M-E-L-O.
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Speaker 24
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And how are you employed?
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Cory Melo
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I work for the state police.
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Speaker 24
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And what unit or what's your current assignment with the state police?
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Cory Melo
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Currently, I work for the commercial vehicle enforcement section.
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Speaker 24
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Going back to January of 2023, what was your assignment then?
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Cory Melo
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I worked for [inaudible 06:06:24] County District Attorney's Office at that time.
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Speaker 24
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With the State Police Detective Unit?
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Cory Melo
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Correct, yes.
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Speaker 24
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And I'm going to draw your attention to January 24th, 2023. Were you involved in the investigation into the incident that occurred at 47 Summer Street in Duxbury on January 24th?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I was.
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Speaker 24
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And fair to say that when State Police got involved in that investigation, a large group of the State Police Detective Unit went out to Duxbury to work that investigation?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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Were you the case officer in that case?
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Cory Melo
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I was not the case officer.
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Speaker 24
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Your role in that case, was that to assist in things like search warrants, neighborhood canvases, interviewing of witnesses?
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Cory Melo
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Correct. Yes.
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Speaker 24
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And in this particular investigation, you're aware that there was a search warrant executed at 47 Summer Street after the incident had occurred, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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And as part of the search warrant execution, were you involved in searching the home?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I was.
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Speaker 24
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And did you search the various floors of the home, meaning the basement, that first floor, and the second floor?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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In searching that home, there were a number of other detectives and troopers also searching, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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Do you recall locating a phone in the upstairs bedroom, a laptop, some workout bands in the basement that were hanging on the door?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I do.
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Speaker 24
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And when you recovered these particular items or located these items, did you then turn them into an evidence officer, or direct an evidence officer to things that you though might have some evidentiary value?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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At some point after the search warrant was over, you're aware a lot of items were brought back for further examination, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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Is that common that when you're working on a search warrant, things are kind of...
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Cory Melo
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It's okay.
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Speaker 23
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You all right?
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Speaker 24
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Is it common that a lot of times a search warrant, things are collected and brought back for further examination?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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Is that because it's kind of chaotic there and can't really examine things thoroughly on scene?
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Cory Melo
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That's correct, yes.
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Speaker 24
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So in this particular circumstance, were you asked to review some books and journals?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I was.
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Speaker 24
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And I'm just going to...
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Cory Melo
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Water. All right.
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Speaker 24
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If I may approach the witness?
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Speaker 23
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Sure.
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Speaker 24
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I'm just showing you an item. Is that familiar to you?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, it is.
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Speaker 24
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You didn't locate this on that night, did you?
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Cory Melo
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No, I did not.
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Speaker 24
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But you had the opportunity to review the contents of it at a later date?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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I would move to admit this ground journal as an exhibit, please.
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Mr. Reddington
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No objection.
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Speaker 23
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All right. That may be admitted. Counsel, can I see you sidebar just for a second? All right, Commonwealth.
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Speaker 24
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Thank you. Trooper Melo, just in relation to now what's been marked as Exhibit 151, the Brown Journal, and just noting that when the journal opens to the first page, there's no dates on it, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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And in those first few pages, just highlighting on page one, you reviewed these handwritten entries, and at some point in this paragraph it says, "Obsessed with his sleep and nap schedule like to the minute." It says, "Hearing him cry for one plus hours and not intervening just about killed me. I even said the words, I want to die to Pat while he was crying. After that, I became obsessed with his sleep and nap schedule to the minute." That's one of the entries you reviewed and noted?
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Cory Melo
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Correct. Yes.
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Speaker 24
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Page two says, "I also feel like I did it wrong, because I did it when he was overtired, so it made it harder. Now I have horrible insomnia and anxiety." Do you recall reviewing that in the journal?
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Cory Melo
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Correct. Yes.
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Speaker 24
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Page four of the journal says, "Why else I feel guilty? He's not really hitting his milestones." Again, that's a page that's not dated in this journal, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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Page eight. " I'm completely overwhelmed trying to take care of the three kids. I feel like I'm drowning every day." Again, another page that's not dated.
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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At some point, there are some dated pages in this journal, fair to say, right?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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And there's one on November 18th. And November 18th, that page reads, "It's like I'm so desperate to get a mental break from taking care of everyone that my mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me." You recall reviewing that in the journal?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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Okay. Now, in addition to the Brown Journal, when you were back at the office, you also had the occasion to review some of the other journals collected, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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This journal I'm holding up, Exhibit number 147, is that familiar to you?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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And again, this is a journal that has handwritten notes in it, very similar to the handwriting in the Brown journal you reviewed?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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And fair to say the entries in this notebook only span a few pages and only go from October 13th as the first entry, and the last one being January 18th, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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Okay. And this third journal that you reviewed after the search warrant, Exhibit number 50, the yellow journal with Callan Clancy's name on it, do you recall that?
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Cory Melo
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Yes, I do.
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Speaker 24
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And you are aware Callan Clancy was one of the children?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Speaker 24
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Okay. And in this instance, did you see similar handwriting from the other two journals that you reviewed?
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Cory Melo
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Yes. I believe there was two separate.
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Speaker 24
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Okay. At some point in these entries, you began to notice there were other handwriting?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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At the time you were looking at this, did you know who the other handwriting was?
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Cory Melo
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At the time, no.
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Speaker 24
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Or who it belonged to?
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Speaker 24
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Okay. And fair to say, reviewing the contents of it, it's a pretty detailed list of a schedule for the baby?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Speaker 24
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I have nothing further.
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Speaker 23
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All right. Mr. Reddington.
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Mr. Reddington
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So one of the things that the district attorney did was read to you certain entries from what is referred to in your report as the Tree of Life Artisan Journal, correct?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And when you refer in the report to the Tree of Life Artisan Journal, is that this here? Why do you call it Tree of Life? Is there a diagram or a picture of a tree on it?
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Cory Melo
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Should have a tree on it, yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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But in any event, you would recall that that particular diary or notebook set forth on a number of pages, her feelings dealing with her children. Is that fair?
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Cory Melo
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It's fair to say. Yes, sir.
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Mr. Reddington
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And you wrote in your report on page 19 of 63, counsel asked you first about her stating that she had horrible PTSD from sleep training Callan, hearing him cry for one hour plus, "And not intervening just about killed me. I even said the words, I want to die to Pat while he was crying." He would be the baby, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And this is her saying that not being able to go to her child, because they were trying to do sleep training, she indicated that it was just about killing her, correct?
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Cory Melo
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That's what was stated, yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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And after that, "I," meaning Lindsay, "Became obsessed with his sleep and nap schedule, like to the minute. I would tell Laney." And you know who Laney is, right?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Who's Laney?
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Cory Melo
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The other child.
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Mr. Reddington
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The what?
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Cory Melo
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I'm sorry, again. What's the-
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Mr. Reddington
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Laney.
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Cory Melo
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... Laney?
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Mr. Reddington
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Laney. L-A-N-E-Y. Laney.
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Cory Melo
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Don't recall at this time.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you recall that she had a young lady or they had a young lady that was in their home helping with the baby while she was supposed to-
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Cory Melo
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I don't recall this time.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. That she would tell Laney to put him down at 10:36. "I would also drive him around for car naps for hours every day, feeling guilty for doing this to my baby." Do you recall making that notation?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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"I also feel guilty (we did it too young one week shy of four months)." Right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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You also noted in your report that, "I also feel like I did it wrong, because I did it when he was overtired, so I made it harder. I now have horrible insomnia and anxiety, which is causing depression. I have no appetite. I don't know what's wrong with me. I want help. I want to be well. You saw that in there, didn't you?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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And then she went on and said, "I think the anxiety started after sleep training. Doctor said it was okay to let him cry. I need to get a good night's sleep and take care of him. Rocking him to sleep. Every nap in bed in the middle of the night." She noted that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Noting further in separate occasion, "He's still a very happy baby despite his sleep training. Why I feel guilty is not really hitting his milestones, not rolling over, although he almost is! And he's babbling, which is a new milestone." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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She wrote, "I have crazy brain fog. I feel like I can't make a plan. I can't carry it out, like I just live moment to moment waiting for the next nap time. I'm terrified of Cal getting over tired now, because I feel I can't help him." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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She then wrote, "I'm really worried about going back to work and not being able to function with the brain fog. I feel like I should start with a four-hour shift and see how I do. I can't tell if I am withdrawing from Ativan and Benadryl or is this my new baseline? I feel completely disconnected with my baby. I feel like I'm going through the motions every day." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And there were a number of other entries that you put in your police report about that. One of which was that, "I feel horribly guilty about my marriage. I want to connect with Pat again. I know he needs it. I need it. I'm terrified, because I'm terrified of the relationship." She needs to get birth control first. She made reference to her inability to have conjugal relations with her husband, right?
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Cory Melo
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I believe so.
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Mr. Reddington
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She indicated further on into her travels, "I am completely overwhelmed trying to take care of the kids. I'm drowning every day. I feel guilty that I'm spending my family's money and not making any. I feel like I spend way too much." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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06:19:49
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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"I'm terrified of Callan getting sick. He's a sick baby. A sick baby is miserable. He's sick now with a double ear infection. Clearly has a bellyache. It's miserable. I feel like the other kids are going to get him sick all winter long." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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"I always feel strongly against sleep training. I feel like it's abusive to let the baby cry and not respond, but I made the decision. I did it with Cal. It is way too much crying. It's incredibly stressful." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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"He's okay. He will be okay. It's not harmful in any way. The doctor said it was okay. Plenty of people sleep train their kids at that age. It's necessary as a third child," is what she wrote, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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" I feel incredibly sad and guilty about not breastfeeding anymore. That was the one thing I could do to help his immune system. And I can tell he really doesn't like the formula. I'm very sad about this. I know at this time it's what I needed to do for my mental health." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And then the statement started getting smaller and smaller as time went by. One occasion, "It's like I'm desperate to get a mental break from taking care of everyone. My mind is trying to make something physically wrong with me. My mind never shuts off. It's constantly thinking of the next thing someone needs. I can't shut it off. I desperately want to go back to work, but now I don't know how I'm going to function and it worries me." Wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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There were two consecutive or two pages that were blank, that she didn't even write on. And then on the third entry, affirmations. She wrote, "Affirmations. On November 22nd of 2022. I am calm. I will remain calm today. There is nothing that needs to be on my mind. The weight is lifted from my mind. I will sleep tonight." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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Continuing on into November, "I slept well last night. I will sleep again tonight. Today will be a great day. I will go back to work on Sunday. I will thrive. I can feel like myself again." That was November 23rd. She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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I believe that's the day, yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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"Gratitude. I'm grateful for Sue, who's always listening." That'd be the mother-in-law. You knew that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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"Sue, I'm grateful to Sue for always listening and trying her best to help me. Kids are sleeping great for Pat. Pat is handling nighttime stuff. Julie, for making a plan for me. A big thing is, I feel disconnected with myself. Time, reality. I think going back to work will help with that." She wrote that, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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And then there are numbers of pages, 22 of 63, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, all reproducing what counsel asked you about and what I just went through, that were from those journals, right?
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Cory Melo
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Correct.
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Mr. Reddington
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Did you have anything to do with the search of the house?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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Did you search in the bedroom?
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Cory Melo
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Yes.
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Mr. Reddington
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How many other people were with you searching in the bedroom?
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Cory Melo
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06:22:50
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I don't recall how many other people were with me at that time.
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Mr. Reddington
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Do you know why nobody looked in the drawer and found pills and sleep aids and Apple watches?
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Cory Melo
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I'm not aware.
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Mr. Reddington
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Did you see the drawer?
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Cory Melo
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I don't recall.
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Mr. Reddington
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What?
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Cory Melo
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I don't recall.
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Mr. Reddington
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Okay. That's all I have, judge.
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Speaker 23
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Okay. Redirect?
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Speaker 24
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Nothing further. Thank you.
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Speaker 23
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All right. Thank you, sir. You may step down. Counsel, can I see you at sidebar? All right. So members of the jury, we're going to break at this point till tomorrow. All right? Talking to counsel, my expectation is we'd have a similar schedule tomorrow. The hope would be it will go in the morning and it should go into the afternoon, but just to give you the, that's the best estimate that we have. All right? And so, I'm going to excuse you till tomorrow. Remember I'm going to ask you those questions. Don't listen to anything. Don't talk about this. Don't take any road trips or do any research on this. Put this out of your head as best you can till tomorrow morning. Hopefully the rain has stopped and we'll see everybody tomorrow. Thank you so much for all your work here today. Thank you.
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Speaker 26
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Court, all rise. Jurors, please close your notebooks, place them on your chairs. Follow me.
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Speaker 23
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All right. So we'll be in recess on this until tomorrow morning at 9:00. Thank you.
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Speaker 24
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Thank you.
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Mr. Reddington
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Thank you. [inaudible 06:26:34]. She's going to draw [inaudible 06:26:38].
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